Is there any way to get my 1100 to eject light target load . The gun is a 20 year old 3" mag . It has not liked the light loads sence day one . I would love to shoot some skeet with it but I can't untill , if ever , it start ejecting the target loads . It has been cleaned by my people . About 15 years ago a gun smith told me the more I shoot it the more it will loosen up , " After a wile it will start to eject fine " . I geuss not . Any ideas would be great . :banghead:
1100 eject , reject .
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Ditchtiger
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different recoil spring, a barrel with a 2 3/4 chamber my have larger gas ports
GeezerwithGuns
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Ditto on the recoil spring.
Also:
Make sure that the gas ports are clean of any residue.
Put in a new barrel seal (O-ring) if the old one is loose or split
Make sure that the gas piston and piston seal are installed in the correct direction. Also make sure that these are the correct parts.
Contact Remington customer service. They may make a newer replacement piston and seal that might address this problem.
I own an 1187 which is also a 3" gun and have never had any feed problems at all when shooting light target loads.
Hope this helps.
Also:
Make sure that the gas ports are clean of any residue.
Put in a new barrel seal (O-ring) if the old one is loose or split
Make sure that the gas piston and piston seal are installed in the correct direction. Also make sure that these are the correct parts.
Contact Remington customer service. They may make a newer replacement piston and seal that might address this problem.
I own an 1187 which is also a 3" gun and have never had any feed problems at all when shooting light target loads.
Hope this helps.
With the 1100, you have it one way or the other. You either make it work for light shells, or make it work with 3" heavy shells. The magnum 1100's were made for heavy duck and goose loads, they will eject heavy 2 3/4 loads also, but not light target loads without modification as stated in the above posts.
If you decide to modify the gun to shoot light loads you may damage the gun if you throw in a heavy 3" load without changing it back to magnum parts.
If you decide to modify the gun to shoot light loads you may damage the gun if you throw in a heavy 3" load without changing it back to magnum parts.
kirbythegunsmith
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There are no special action springs that I know of for different loads. All 1100 and 11/87 use the same spring up to and including the .410 1100.
Ditto on proper assembly of gas rings, with a good o-ring and a clean port. Magnum barrels have one port, and almost all 2-3/4 barrels have two (duck/goose barrels to shoot high brass only had one)
There are not a batch of parts to change to make a magnum function not like a magnum, and then convert back to magnum, except to swap to a standard barrel that you would change back to return to magnum status.
By the way, with the amount of shooting that you have through the mechanism, I believe that wearing of the parts is more likely to add drag than smoothness, since I smooth many types of actions for reliability for hunting and defense and see (and remove) the burrs etc. that have developed.
Magnum guns have a few parts different that are obvious, and a few that are not obvious, and a lot that remain the same. Barrel ports, chamber length and ejector position may be unique, and the action bar sleeve is different. The use of a 2-3/4" barrel should work without a hitch, if you had one to borrow and test.
It is possible to rework the existing barrel for light loads, and there will be extra pounding on the gun if you do not follow my recommendations for firing heavy loads after modification.
There is not nearly a reason to panic if a few magnum shells were to be used. Think about this for a moment- an 1100 standard is expected to digest anything from a light 7/8 oz. load (12 ga.) up to a magnum turkey load at 4 dram 1-5/8 oz. without necessarily being injurious to the mechanism. That is why I have no problem with converting 2-3/4 stuff to occasional magnum use, especially with certain advice for obviating pounding. There is actually a case for lessened pounding with a proper magnum conversion than with typical "baby magnum" pounding in an unaltered 2-3/4 gun.
1100's are similar to 11/87's, but cannot be used for operational comparisons of use with varying loads. 11/87's have been known to fail with light loads, but not to the extent of 1100 magnums. 1100 standard guns will be normally more reliable with light loads, and if you have very little chance to shoot magnums anyway, I never recommend getting a gun to shoot a big shell once a year, and light loads the other 364 days. If I need a load of driveway gravel once a year, I don't want to be stuck using a dump truck to go to the store the rest of the time. There is always a price to be paid for multi-use objects, like a mountain climbing running shoe. Make up your mind about the most used aspect, and tailor for that as closely as you can, if possible within reason and budget.
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There are no special action springs that I know of for different loads. All 1100 and 11/87 use the same spring up to and including the .410 1100.
Ditto on proper assembly of gas rings, with a good o-ring and a clean port. Magnum barrels have one port, and almost all 2-3/4 barrels have two (duck/goose barrels to shoot high brass only had one)
There are not a batch of parts to change to make a magnum function not like a magnum, and then convert back to magnum, except to swap to a standard barrel that you would change back to return to magnum status.
By the way, with the amount of shooting that you have through the mechanism, I believe that wearing of the parts is more likely to add drag than smoothness, since I smooth many types of actions for reliability for hunting and defense and see (and remove) the burrs etc. that have developed.
Magnum guns have a few parts different that are obvious, and a few that are not obvious, and a lot that remain the same. Barrel ports, chamber length and ejector position may be unique, and the action bar sleeve is different. The use of a 2-3/4" barrel should work without a hitch, if you had one to borrow and test.
It is possible to rework the existing barrel for light loads, and there will be extra pounding on the gun if you do not follow my recommendations for firing heavy loads after modification.
There is not nearly a reason to panic if a few magnum shells were to be used. Think about this for a moment- an 1100 standard is expected to digest anything from a light 7/8 oz. load (12 ga.) up to a magnum turkey load at 4 dram 1-5/8 oz. without necessarily being injurious to the mechanism. That is why I have no problem with converting 2-3/4 stuff to occasional magnum use, especially with certain advice for obviating pounding. There is actually a case for lessened pounding with a proper magnum conversion than with typical "baby magnum" pounding in an unaltered 2-3/4 gun.
1100's are similar to 11/87's, but cannot be used for operational comparisons of use with varying loads. 11/87's have been known to fail with light loads, but not to the extent of 1100 magnums. 1100 standard guns will be normally more reliable with light loads, and if you have very little chance to shoot magnums anyway, I never recommend getting a gun to shoot a big shell once a year, and light loads the other 364 days. If I need a load of driveway gravel once a year, I don't want to be stuck using a dump truck to go to the store the rest of the time. There is always a price to be paid for multi-use objects, like a mountain climbing running shoe. Make up your mind about the most used aspect, and tailor for that as closely as you can, if possible within reason and budget.
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Kirby, thanks for clearing that up, very informative. I thought the barrels would interchange between standard and mag actions, but wasn't sure enough to throw that in my previous post. 
another okie
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There's some good advice up there. Cleaning the gas ports and changing the O ring are good first steps.
Let me suggest something simpler. Buy a second shotgun for the light loads. If you like the 1100, just buy a "regular" one. That way you don't have to worry about swapping out parts if you need to shoot the heavy loads.
Let me suggest something simpler. Buy a second shotgun for the light loads. If you like the 1100, just buy a "regular" one. That way you don't have to worry about swapping out parts if you need to shoot the heavy loads.
kirbythegunsmith
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small note
There is something to be said for having extra guns, as almost all shooters can attest. I don't blame anyone looking for an excuse to buy another, and another, especially when there is no duplication.
However, I tend to make the case of using parts for double duty. With the 1100 magnum, normally a swap to the standard barrel will provide a workable standard gun. Remington recommends the swap in that way, but not really in the opposite way: taking a standard and hanging on a magnum barrel. My comments of the tempest in a teapot about gun abuse (of 1100's) when using magnum loads in magnum barrels on non-magnum frame assemblies still stands.
I will consistently recommend to shooters the value of double duty parts. If I recommend a very recoil-absorbent premium pad, trigger job, action smoothing, and other modifications, swapping to a different barrel that can still take advantage of all the advancements without the SECOND INVESTMENT for a second gun will allow for consistent and premium feel at lesser expense. You might only be able to afford all the upgrades on one gun, but might feel the need to do half on one gun and half on the other. That's like having 2 girfriends and getting lipo for one and a facelift for the other. One is better for walking to you and the other for walking away, but not both. Sorry for the crude analogy, but you get the drift.
Many times I tell someone that the 1100 can be made to do many things, and give multiple duty by the barrel swap. A magnum barrel for waterfowl can be converted for special steel shot performance, and a short magnum barrel can be made for turkey hunting and deer slug use, since these are the 2 uses that can best use sights or optics as well as a short fast handling barrel (and a cushy pad). Then you can have a standard ventrib barrel for light loads at rabbits, birds of all flavors, clay targets, etc. Nothing wrong with having a cushy pad and trigger job for that kind of shooting, also.
Proper and aligned choke tubes installed will give consistent swing feel with only variance in the pattern size, so minimizing the need to adapt to a different gun's feel and swing characteristics for a similar type of shooting.
Attached see an article that involves duplication avoidance for a shooter.
Sometime I'll post some pictures of choke installation disasters.
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There is something to be said for having extra guns, as almost all shooters can attest. I don't blame anyone looking for an excuse to buy another, and another, especially when there is no duplication.
However, I tend to make the case of using parts for double duty. With the 1100 magnum, normally a swap to the standard barrel will provide a workable standard gun. Remington recommends the swap in that way, but not really in the opposite way: taking a standard and hanging on a magnum barrel. My comments of the tempest in a teapot about gun abuse (of 1100's) when using magnum loads in magnum barrels on non-magnum frame assemblies still stands.
I will consistently recommend to shooters the value of double duty parts. If I recommend a very recoil-absorbent premium pad, trigger job, action smoothing, and other modifications, swapping to a different barrel that can still take advantage of all the advancements without the SECOND INVESTMENT for a second gun will allow for consistent and premium feel at lesser expense. You might only be able to afford all the upgrades on one gun, but might feel the need to do half on one gun and half on the other. That's like having 2 girfriends and getting lipo for one and a facelift for the other. One is better for walking to you and the other for walking away, but not both. Sorry for the crude analogy, but you get the drift.
Many times I tell someone that the 1100 can be made to do many things, and give multiple duty by the barrel swap. A magnum barrel for waterfowl can be converted for special steel shot performance, and a short magnum barrel can be made for turkey hunting and deer slug use, since these are the 2 uses that can best use sights or optics as well as a short fast handling barrel (and a cushy pad). Then you can have a standard ventrib barrel for light loads at rabbits, birds of all flavors, clay targets, etc. Nothing wrong with having a cushy pad and trigger job for that kind of shooting, also.
Proper and aligned choke tubes installed will give consistent swing feel with only variance in the pattern size, so minimizing the need to adapt to a different gun's feel and swing characteristics for a similar type of shooting.
Attached see an article that involves duplication avoidance for a shooter.
Sometime I'll post some pictures of choke installation disasters.
[email protected]
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