1100 yards: Accuracy and Power analysis requested on 7mmMag, 300WinMag, 54R and 30-06

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I remember a similar question about long-range hunting was asked way back when I was on SKSboards. One of the old hands, Galahad, put it this way: "White man build big fire, sleep far away. Indian build small fire, sleep close."
 
You shoot a berger vld match grade hunting 180gr in the 7 rem mag and a 210gr in a 30 win mag and they both do the job well. Our usa f class team use a 7mm rem mag for 1000 yards. The cartidge ain't the problem, it hitting a target with any reliability when it does not tend to stand still and your shooting from a fixed bench with quality rest to aid in your shots. Its not like your sniping at 1000 yards were a bullet can contact almost 2'8" verticaly and a 12" width and still do the job well. Bring in some guys to set up traps and other retire hunters to work at thining your hog problems. You will not do it by your self with out good hunting skill under 400 yards. And if night hunting make the distance 100 yards or less.
 
A .300 RUM does not have the BC to hold its velocity as well as the 7mm. The 7mm will have a higher velocity at 1,000 yards than the .300 RUM even though its muzzle velocity is lower.
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Ummm, the heaviest .308" bullets have a higher BC than the heaviest 7mm bullets.

Berger bullets:

.284" 180 gr. Match Target Hybrid G1 BC: .674
.308" 230 gr. Match Target Hybrid G1 BC: .743

Sierra Bullets:

.284" 180 gr. Matchking BC: .660
.308" 240 gr. Matchking BC: .711

Not to mention the greater power of the .300 RUM to begin with; The 7mm Rem Mag and .300 RUM both max out at 3,000 FPS with their respective 180 and 240 gr. bullets.

Anyone who thinks that any of the current 7mm magnums can edge out the .300 RUM at any range is diluded.
 
machIv The 300 RUM was not in the orginal post. If you wish to say how great the 300rum as then the 338 laupua kicks its a**. Ok how about the 338rum or the 406 cheytec how about the ,,,,,,,,,,,,

Pick the 7mm rem mag or the 300 win mag with a twist for the heavier bullets and enjoy . They both work well enough . No need for a 300 rum 338 maga monster or the do it all better 406 and so on. Heck drag out a 20mm
 
From the discussion I am leaning towards a 7mm magnum. I will now shop for one and a scope as well. Any idea of scope specs for this range and what sort or bullets?
 
Trapping the hogs may be faster that shooting them. But a 1,000 use a bigger rifles like 50 bmg or 416 barret.

Invite a sportsmen club to have a weekend hunt.
 
Any idea of scope specs for this range and what sort or bullets?
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Scope: Nightforce, S&B, USO, Leupold (high end).....I know I am missing some hear, but that test I just took kinda knocked out my memory

Ammo: Load your own and find what the rifle shoots best
 
Check out Zack Smith's site; he's got a good writeup on LR scopes. For budgeting purposes, I would assume $1800 for the scope and another $300 for mounts.

You're probably going to need to reload. I guess there's good factory long range 7mm ammo out there, but I've never seen it. I would budget $1500 for the first year worth of ammo (assuming reloads) and another $800 for a new barrel (you’ll probably be due a new one). If you do it right, you should have a decent (I don't know, <50%) chance of consistently putting lead on hog by then.

You’re going to need a good range finder (really good).

If you go with a factory rifle, just know it's hit or miss ( :) ) on getting a good shooter. If you go with a custom rifle, it may take several months to get it. You could spend less than $1000 or several thousand, depending on factory / custom / crazy custom…

I think what you're talking about is a really great idea (except the part about trying to shoot hogs at 1k...). I would decide if I wanted to shoot at long ranges or if I just wanted to get rid of some hogs before I spent a lot of money on this. FWIW, I would try to trap the hogs and buy a long range rig in .260 just because (why not…). If I really wanted to shoot them at 1k, I would get a Browning M2, but I don’t have money for something like that, nor do I have hog problems. Either way you go; Good Luck!
 
I have used a .284 caliber bullet in many variations of 7mm cartridges over the years because that bullet has a higher BC than a 30. Of the four cartridges you offer as choices in the first post, I would go for the 7.
 
For the cost of some of these cartridges (.338 LM) and the cost to work up loads for them, maybe you should seriously consider 50 BMG? Some of the surplus stuff isn't too expensive. Would definitely have the power, but Im not sure about accuracy.

- TNG
 
For the cost of some of these cartridges (.338 LM) and the cost to work up loads for them, maybe you should seriously consider 50 BMG? Some of the surplus stuff isn't too expensive. Would definitely have the power, but Im not sure about accuracy.
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All of the cartridges here have the power for the ranges desired, and all will need to be handloaded to achieve the desired accuracy. When it comes to handloading, .50 BMG is considerably more expensive.
 
All of the cartridges here have the power for the ranges desired, and all will need to be handloaded to achieve the desired accuracy. When it comes to handloading, .50 BMG is considerably more expensive.
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Someone had to utter something about the big 50 :D Good point though. I don't have much experience with hogs at long range, maybe that's a good excuse to buy a plane ticket to TX for the summer ;)

- TNG
 
I don't have much experience with hogs at long range, maybe that's a good excuse to buy a plane ticket to TX for the summer
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You won't get any long range experience down here.....we have so many you are better armed with a Bowie knife ;)
 
I do not think the Dragunov will be accurate enough, so scratch that one. The .300 and 7mm mags are the right ones for trajectory and power. The .30-06 is going to drop too much, and won't come close to the magnums for power, either. I shoot a .300WM, and use a mil-dot scope, set to operate correctly at 12x. I can sight in for zero at 700 yards, and utilize the mil-dot scale for all ranges from 100 to 1100 yards without using the target turrets for any vertical adjustment. This is with a 200 grain match bullet loaded to 2830fps. Lighter bullets can be driven faster, and have better trajectories, but the 200gr bucks the wind better, and that becomes a big factor at 1000 plus yards. The 7mm will do the same for your purposes. Choose either one. PS: My rifle is a tweaked Remington Sendero with Leupold 6.5-20x, one of the older rifles with a 24" barrel, and I use it hunting elk, too. It is not too heavy, but has a med/hvy factory barrel that works very well for long range tactical shooting AND hunting.
 
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Here is what my 300 win mag does. Here is the weapon.Rem 700P 26'' barrel and shooting 190 grain SMK.
 
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