12 G With a Pistol Grip

[nerfsrule2]

My friend Wants to get an 870 with a folding stock and use the stock folded to the top for a run and gun shoot..Utilizing only the Pistol Grip..Anyone ever try to do this or have any suggestions to help him on his decision.. I have seen what he wants to get and it is an old 870 with a LEO top folding factory metal stock...

 

[janobles14]

i guess they have their places but im just not a pistol grip fan. im also not really sure what exactly a run and gun shoot is. good folders on shotguns arent totally useless though.

 

[Chopdoktor]

I had a Mossberg 500 12 gauge with the ATI top-folding stock, and it was pretty difficult to acquire a sight-picture quickly with the stock folded up. The black polymer ATI top-folding stock looks cool and is relatively comfortable when folded out, but really makes things hard for "point n' shoot" style when it's folded. I don't know what a 'run and gun' shoot is, but when you're moving, stability and cheek weld are crucial to accuracy, so I'd highly recommend an adjustable AR15 style stock with pistol grip, which is what I run on my Mossberg 500. Also, I'm a fan of forward-canted vertical fore-grips on pump shotguns. It sounds like he'd be well served by one of those, too.

 

[Sam1911]

Howdy neighbor! What match is he planning to attend? Might just meet up there.

Folding stocks really shine when you have a real need to store or transport a shotgun in a compact place/package. They are much better to shoot with the stock extended. Unfortunately, they aren't usually all that good to shoot with the stock extended, either.

You'll notice that serious competitors aren't running folding stocks. They may use stocks with pistol grips, but they'll have a full buttstock.

As for shooting with a PGO or folded folding stock, you can do a search as that's been discussed over and over (and over again) here. The best technique is to hold the pistol grip with your strong hand and tuck that in against the side of your chest -- about nipple height. Turn your upper body like a turret to aim.

Shooting it that way won't be difficult or painful, but HITTING much with it at more than a few paces probably will be. It can be done, but it takes serious practice to be much good.

Shotgun Moderator Dave McCracken has written the web's definitive dissertation on the best practices for PGO shooting: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=44465

If he wants to go and just have fun, it will be ok. He'll probably have decided by the end of the first stage what his next upgrade will be ...

 

[nerfsrule2]

Howdy neighbor! What match is he planning to attend? Might just meet up there.

Folding stocks really shine when you have a real need to store or transport a shotgun in a compact place/package. They are much better to shoot with the stock extended. Unfortunately, they aren't usually all that good to shoot with the stock extended, either.

You'll notice that serious competitors aren't running folding stocks. They may use stocks with pistol grips, but they'll have a full buttstock.

As for shooting with a PGO or folded folding stock, you can do a search as that's been discussed over and over (and over again) here. The best technique is to hold the pistol grip with your strong hand and tuck that in against the side of your chest -- about nipple height. Turn your upper body like a turret to aim.

Shooting it that way won't be difficult or painful, but HITTING much with it at more than a few paces probably will be. It can be done, but it takes serious practice to be much good.

Shotgun Moderator Dave McCracken has written the web's definitive dissertation on the best practices for PGO shooting: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=44465

If he wants to go and just have fun, it will be ok. He'll probably have decided by the end of the first stage what his next upgrade will be

WE shoot at the Palmyra Sportsman's Association.. There was a run and gun shoot a few weeks ago somewhere close buy..(It was posted at the club; in either Lancaster or Lebanon county) Several of the guys went and had a Blast.. We are trying to get 10 guys and gals to go to the same event next month..I told him I could reload him some Light loads to see how he liked it.. I will show him your post and suggest that he go with a fixed stock.. I tried to do a search on here( to show him and came up empty.. My fault)Thanks for the info.. DS

 

[nerfsrule2]

I had a Mossberg 500 12 gauge with the ATI top-folding stock, and it was pretty difficult to acquire a sight-picture quickly with the stock folded up. The black polymer ATI top-folding stock looks cool and is relatively comfortable when folded out, but really makes things hard for "point n' shoot" style when it's folded. I don't know what a 'run and gun' shoot is, but when you're moving, stability and cheek weld are crucial to accuracy, so I'd highly recommend an adjustable AR15 style stock with pistol grip, which is what I run on my Mossberg 500. Also, I'm a fan of forward-canted vertical fore-grips on pump shotguns. It sounds like he'd be well served by one of those, too.

Thanks for the input..From what I have heard the Run and gun shoot is an event where you take 3 weapons.. Pistol, center fire rifle and shotgun.. You walk or move through a controlled timed course.. Shooting at targets as you go from different positions and behind different barriers.. My friends said it was a blast.. I can not wait to do it next month...

 

[Chopdoktor]

It sounds like fun, for sure. The Mossy I was referring to is one of my beat-around guns, and with the 6 position AR style stock collapsed and the 18'' barrel, it's a nice and compact package. My other shotty is a Saiga 12, in original pistol grip AK configuration, with an adjustable side-folding stock and 18'' barrel; I love the compact configuration with the stock folded. It's considerably easier to shoot because of it's matching front and rear pistol grips... plus, if you miss the first shot, there's NINETEEN MORE in the drum! hahaha... gotta love drum mags. Anyway, as I said, an adjustable side-folding stock like the ATI Strikeforce gives you the best of everything, in my opinion.

 

[Ratdog68]

It sounds like fun, for sure. The Mossy I was referring to is one of my beat-around guns, and with the 6 position AR style stock collapsed and the 18'' barrel, it's a nice and compact package. My other shotty is a Saiga 12, in original pistol grip AK configuration, with an adjustable side-folding stock and 18'' barrel; I love the compact configuration with the stock folded. It's considerably easier to shoot because of it's matching front and rear pistol grips... plus, if you miss the first shot, there's NINETEEN MORE in the drum! hahaha... gotta love drum mags. Anyway, as I said, an adjustable side-folding stock like the ATI Strikeforce gives you the best of everything, in my opinion.

Another vote for the same type of set up... Winchester 1200 Police riot gun with an 18" barrel, flop down rifled sight, and a Knoxx SpecOps stock... with the recoil absorbing feature

 

[Lvl21nerd]

" nutnfancy " on youtube does run'n'gun shoots in some of his videos

 

[Chopdoktor]

+1 to Ratdog. That's exactly what I'm talking about! You'll feel a heck of a difference in control and speed of follow-up shots.

 

[Rshooter]

If it looks like this, these stocks go for $150 or more depending on the market. You could sell the stock/pistol grip and get something else if you really desired. Mine is a 1960 gun and the stock will stay factory original.

 

[Justin]

My friend Wants to get an 870 with a folding stock and use the stock folded to the top for a run and gun shoot..Utilizing only the Pistol Grip..Anyone ever try to do this or have any suggestions to help him on his decision.. I have seen what he wants to get and it is an old 870 with a LEO top folding factory metal stock...

I've seen one guy shoot a local 3Gun match with a pistol grip only shotgun. The results were less than impressive.