.17 Mach 2 Machine gun

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It's gotta be good because the Army won't let me check it out! :fire:
Unless it is really a terrorist's weapon?

I've always thought a 22LR would make a great machine gun... micro-vulcan cannon... class3 elligable?
 
Well, if one has paid the SOT to be a manufacturer, not a problem. It'd just be basically a post-whatever dealer sample.

Imho, the army needs to look at the subcaliber stuff, in terms of creating microminiguns...

Why?

A minigun can go through an ammo can in a second. And everyone knows how heavy those cans are. Yeah, we know that .22s and .17s aren't as all-fired powerful as the centerfire rounds, but I wouldn't want to be hit with one at 2-300 yards. But with the cyclic rate of the minigun, I don't think that "one" would be the case. IMHO, it'd be somewhat akin to an aimable and reusable claymore.

Imagine being able to kick a pallet out of a helicopter with an instant perimeter defense kit... You'd have the capability turn an area of your perimeter into a definite free-fire zone. Just set the sucker up to traverse a portion of the area with some vertical dispersion added in, and it's instant "keep their heads down." That's when you hope your 2nd Lt actually paid attention in map reading class so that you can call in some napalm...

Or likewise, load a chopper up with, instead of a few thousand rounds, a hundred thousand, and then the time they can loiter on site is determined by fuel instead of ammo capacity.
 
...i want a .22rimfire machinegun...

that would be so neat.

~TMM
 
Is the 17 Mach II a .22 necked down to .17 cal? If so, it wouldn't be much to take one of the extant .22 mini machine guns that are out there (I don't know if there's a lot of them, or if I just been seeing the same ones at just about every Dallas and Fort Worth gun show I've ever been to in the last quarter century) and change the barrel to .17.

Pretty nifty, really.

Bogie actually makes a pretty decent case to give it some more consideration, rather than simply dismissing it out of hand. Consider that, in wartime, hundreds and even thousands of rounds are spent for every casualty caused. Consider also that, in many cases in wartime, a wounding can cause your enemy more grief than a killing. Finally consider that even a .22 to the A-zone will certainly take the majority of the capability to fight out of a healthy man. I gather this has more energy (for whatever that's worth.).
 
The only problem I could see with it being used as a military weapon would be rimfire reliability.

Oh and to me the gun looks like one of those Tippman made .22 MGs.
 
Yeah, I think it's a Tippmann. But it should be a relatively simple thing to rebarrel one.

A minigun would be even easier to fabricate, once the mechanics of the ejector was taken care of.

With a rimfire minigun, I'd be concerned about damage to the firing pin. Just thought of one way around that tho...
 
Look up Lakeside. They make semi auto only versions, though they may have a few of the .22 FA transferables available.
 
I don't think reliability would be a problem. If the action is run off an electric motor misfired rounds get cycled out with the empty brass. Who cares if you only get 990 rounds downrange out of a thousand-round belt?
 
Imagine the potential of those miniguns :eek: ! Very small guns, firing very quickly, with thousands of rounds that wiegh the same as a few hundred (maybe a few dozen, dep. on what calibre is your refrence). Imagine a lightwieght tank fitted with about 6 of those things, firing at once, with somewhere in the nieghtborhood of 200,000 rounds each :what: ! Guranteed to keep their heads down, and scare the crap out of anyone. Or, the aforementioned chopper setup--imagine getting a chopper to have more of a "ball turret" kinda thing--remote operated by the pilots, just like on an apache--and be able to mount them to just about any airborne vehicle we have. Quick fire accessibility, not too heavy, lots of ammo capacity.....now, imagine all these tiny mini-guns firing at 6000 RPM, for around........10 minutes? :D
 
A bullet that light wouldn't be good for anything other than human targets, and even then, not great. That said, it would defintely keep the heads of the enemy down.
 
Years ago there was a 22lr submachine gun mounting one of the first laser aiming devices. It fired from a drum magazine mounted on top of the gun and shot FAST! I remember some news footage showing it chewing up watermelons...awesome! IIRC it was marketed to prisons for riot control. Didn't sell well and now has gone the way of the dodo. :(
 
Youre thinking of the AR-180. It had a 177rd drum. I got to shoot a semi-auto one once. As a semi it was pretty unremarkable, but as a full-auto, I would love to own one.
 
One of the guys at my club had a Ruger mini 14 with a .22 conv kit and it was full auto. I fired 25 rounds in about five seconds. You could hold on target as no muzzel flip.
 
The AR-180 is the semiautomatic civilian version of the AR-18. The American 180 is the .22 submachinegun that you're talkin' 'bout.

~Slam_Fire
 
I've shot an American 180, and they are a pure-bred beeeeyotch to load. But they're worth it.

The interesting thing is that the laser was supposed to let the cons know they were being targeted, in hopes that they'd back down. If they were that smart, would they be in jail?

The American 180 would also chew through cinder block with a magazine.

You know, a mobile remote control minitank with a few of the things would be VERY interesting... Drive it up to the front of a hut, light the hut up (without having to worry about recoil), then drive it in the front door.

Then set off the charge inside...
 
You know, if you want to use a smaller round for a minigun but still get decent ballistics you could use the new round from FN. The 5.7X28 round using the original mil issue SS190 ammo. Still much lighter than conventional ammo but center fire so no rimfire problems. Armor piercing (Thats why this type in mil issue only), better ballistic coefficient than regular .22 and launched at about 2500-2700 fps depending on barrel length. Effective range would be 3-500 yards at least. You can fit almost 2000 rounds in a standard 50 cal ammo can.

Now THAT my friends would combine the best of both worlds. ;)
 
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