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Not much of a thread here but maybe someone can answer the questions for me.
When did the 1858 New Model Army go into production? I'm almost certain it was later than 1858.
Does the same answer also apply to the 1858 Cattleman's Carbine?
Who helped Mr. Remington design it? Mr. Winchester had the sewing machine mechanic. Mr. Colt had Eli. Who did Mr. Remington have? I read that during the War Between The States that soldiers were willing to trade 3 or 4 'open tops' (Colts) for one Remington...Thank ya'll in advance for any help here. I can't find the answers on the computer...Okay...
 
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The New Model Army went into production in 1863. Production ceased in 1875. The carbine, which was quite rare, went into production in 1866, if memory serves me right. I don't know much about them however, maybe someone else can comment. Remington secured the patents of Fordyce Beals to produce their revolvers. The first Remington revolver was produced in 1857. I haven't heard about soldiers trading Colts for Remingtons, but I have seen a report from the post-war period that stated that the percussion Remingtons were sometimes unreliable. It states that:
"Some twenty months since, a company of the First Cavalry recieved in answer to a requisition a case numbering one hundred(Remginton revolvers), not one of which would explode a cap, and this case was, and is, by no means an exceptional one" Army and Navy Journal, Sept. 25th 1869
This could have been attributed to improper post-war storage and cleaning, but who knows? I've never had any problems with my repro.
Hope this helps
 
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I didn't know, but I figured I would find out. Back then paper mattered and the gov turns slow, but maybe not so slow as gov does now.
Back then time mattered more.

What I had planned to say was Harper's Ferry 1804 rifles were on paper well past the time Lewis and Clark left, and so L&C must and could only have had 1792 Contract Muskets. That is a typical error, and shows time.
 
I knew that I'd been reading different stuff on the computer about Colt and Remington and I couldn't find anything about the Cattleman's Carbine that showed up before we were already way into the War.
I don't know where I was reading when I found that about trading Colts for Remingtons (forgot to add the page to my favorites list) but it was some historian that had found it in soldiers diaries or letters or reports or whatever.
I may be wrong but I would assume that in it's original 'issue form' it had a short life span, because I think almost immediately on it's heels came the 'modern' blackpowder cartridge and people were carrying their cap and ball revolvers in to a gunsmith somewhere to have them drilled out and converted over. (I'm sort of just guessing here but at least I consider it a half assed educated guess). Thank ya'll one more time for the help, but I don't reckon I'm gonna die if I don't find out the whole history on it. I'll just shoot mine and feel sorry for the boys who didn't have one back then...
 
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Well one way or another yer gonna die, but knowing what is historicly correct won't matter much. Just remember he who has the most toys wins...

On the topic of any 6 shooter carbine becareful what body parts you place ahead of the cylinder.. A lead spitter will hack you up bad..

Suddenly I have found myself interested in a Cimarron (Colt clone) Open Top 1872 modle in .38/.357 as converted. This was also done on 1860's in both Army and Navy modles with calibur respective.

What I don't know is when apx brass cases took over. I know the Patterson came out no sooner than caps bustin took place apx 1837, but no clue when brass as we know it and NOT PIN FIRE came to be..

As far as I know, no Colts or Remingtons were ever Pin Fire... That is only so far as I know.
 
Purvis, I want to personally thank you for the link you supplied on Remington Revolving Rifles. It was one of the most informative articles I have ever had the deep pleasure of reading through.
God! I had absolutely no idea he'd produced so many different models.
Two facts really jumped out at me right away as I was reading through it. The fact that some of the barrel length's were 24, 26 and 28 inches. That 28 inch barrel must have been kind of hard to steady on a target using the 'quasi pistol hold'.
The second thing that jumped out at me was that the rear sights were graduated from 50 yards all the way out to 300 yards.
This is a gold mine of information you have pointed me to...Okay...
 
No problem. Even though it was doomed from the get-go, I find it to be awful swell. The first time I took mine out was the most I'd smiled at the range in a long time. I've built FALs, AKs, and ARs, but I actually giggled when I shot my carbine at some small pumpkins. I shot 38 grains of FFF with a lubed felt wad and a roundball with great results.
I probably won't make a habit of using that load. I've been wondering how much trouble it would be to turn an ROA into one. A 24" barrel would be nice.
Anyhoo, glad you liked the article.
 
Purvis, how would you like to be the one who found the 100 Remington Revolving Rifles he thinks are missing, possibly setting cased up in some warehouse somewhere? Man, wouldn't that be something?!!
I'm going to join the 'Remington Society' I think they called it. It's forty something dollars a year. I'll join in a few days. I'm spent out this month behind Christmas. Might have to wait until Feb. but I AM going to join. I'vd got the Uberti model with the 18 inch barrel. (Probably the same kind you'vd got. Probably the only model available)
It sure is pretty. Good clean lines. (I have always said also that the Remington New Model .44 Target Model I saw on the Cabela's site is the finest looking handgun I have ever seen. I don't have one. No need for one I don't reckon)
Anyway, I am sure enjoying the site you sent me to.
In my mind I can just see someone a long time ago using that carbine to put meat on the table for them and their family and maybe to kill a snake that was coiled up and ready to strike one of their children or whatever. You know, stuff like that. Well, anyway, I am sure enjoying myself here...Okay...
 
"In my mind I can just see someone a long time ago using that carbine to put meat on the table for them and their family and maybe to kill a snake that was coiled up and ready to strike one of their children or whatever. You know, stuff like that. Well, anyway, I am sure enjoying myself here...Okay..."

This is what my ROA revolving rifle pipe dream is about. I'm afraid what continued use of 38 grains in the Uberti might do. At the same time, I'm really interested in what could be done with the ROA (in terms of it's durability).
I carried my Uberti with me during muzzleloader season, this year. I find I can hold it very steady (hell, I think my Walker weighs more than it does). I know I can hit with it out to 65 yards, and it drove my friends nuts that I dared to bring it. That by itself was worth the price of admission.
I'm supposed to meet a fella a couple counties over from me on Saturday to buy an ROA from him and start making plans. I know a couple of machinists I hope to tap for help (this project is likely beyond me). I know it sounds stupid, but I can't stop thinkin about it.
 
It dosen't sound stupid to me if that's what you want to do. Shouldn't be that hard for someone who know's how. It seem's to me like you'd just untorque and unscrew the barrel from the ROA and fit another barrel in it's place and then add a shoulder stock. Just might be a little expensive, especially the barrel part, but it sure as hell dosen't sound stupid...Okay...P.S. Almost forgot. I spoke with 4 different people today. All 4 of them own or have owned the carbine. One of them has only shot his about 3 times in a whole year so he dosen't even figure into the equation I don't guess. One of them is a close friend of my brother here in Alabama and he has killed several deer with his over the last several years. It's about the only firearm he hunts with. He's just a quiet old man. He's not interested in collecting different guns and all that stuff. He's a damn good shot with that carbine. I know he's a good shot because I watched the apparent ease he displayed as he picked off some beer cans I had set up a little ways out there. Six of them. He squirrel and rabbit hunt's with it to. He can take the rabbits on the run by timing their jumps he said. (pretty damn old to be shooting that good) I glanced at his right thumb today when I handed him a beer. I didn't make any comment but he's got a big callous on it. He's damn sure spent a lot of time pulling back the hammer on something.
Anyway, that's off the subject. He says he mostly loads with around 33 grains for what he would call a heavy load but that yes, one could probably shoot a heavier load than that, and that it wouldn't put any undue stress on the firearm. To just get in the habit of checking all the screws when it was cleaned because sometimes a screw might start backing out.
The other two, although they are not so experienced as my brother's friend, said about the same thing.
All of them are older than me and I am not that young. One of them lives in Tenn. (I'm in North Alabama so it's not too far) I drove up to see him. Just got back. (I didn't have anything else to do anyway) He's in his 90's and hard of hearing (kin to my brother's friend) but he said he remembers very clearly of seeing one or maybe two of these Remingtons with the longer barrels. (he guessed it was maybe"seventy something or could be 80 some'erds years past")
Well, anyway Purvis, I thought you may want to know this so as to give you a guideline to operate under until you get your ROA rigged up. The way they talked it dosen't seem like you are going to damage your carbine by firing hot loads in it. Oh, evidently the "1 or 2" he had seen back then was privately owned just like you own yours today.
Purvis, I wanted so badly to ask him if he had any idea if one of the guns was still around somewhere and if he knew about any of the people there who might have it but I didn't. Even if he had known it wouldn't have done me any good. It would be in the family of the person who'd owned it and they wouldn't have parted with it for anything in the world because it had belonged to their
'dead Grandpa' or something like that.
Well, anyway, didn't mean to bend your ear this long Mr. Purvis. Just wanted to tell you about it. Well, anyway...Okay...
 
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