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1860 ARMY & Conical Bullets?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Bayou Runner, Aug 16, 2008.

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  1. Bayou Runner

    Bayou Runner Member

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    Seems I've read here that Walkers have used a conical called a Picket. Don't recall reading any old or new history on conicals and the 1860. What's out there?
     
  2. arcticap

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    After the round ball is rammed and it's "swaged in" into the chamber with its diameter shaved off, doesn't it become a conical? :D
     
  3. Bayou Runner

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    I was born at nite...but not last nite!
     
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    What's a boolit?????:what:
     
  5. Voodoochile

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    Both Colt & Remington had their version of a conical bullet that was used with their paper wrapped preloaded cartridges for both the .36 & .44 calibers.

    The Lee bullet that they offer a mold for in . 36 & .44 caliber is a simple round nose configuration similar to but not exact to the designs of the time which most were more pointed.

    They do make the C&B revolver a bit more effective but slightly harder to load.
     
  6. Smokin_Gun

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    Great description Voodoochile was gonna mention Lee molds and Boolits ... just to add these are heeled boolits reduced at the base to enable flat, straight, proper seating when rammed home.

    SG
     
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  7. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    You asked what a picket bullet was or looked like? Scroll down after you click the link right
    Here. Looks a bit like a 18-19th century sugar cone.
     
  8. Sunray

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    What's 'nite'? That the same as 'night'?
    "...doesn't it become a conical?..." Nope.
     
  9. sharps59

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    boolit is some ones dream of a bullet. or some one that can't spell bullet
     
  10. Smokin_Gun

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    Boolit, is how the word Bullet is usually phonetically pronounced if you listen closely and are not from the upper Eastern Coast.
    Boolit is a Cowboy, Hillbilly, Western, Southern, Great Plains, Midwestern, not so Yankee speakin', slang term for a Bullet.:what:

    SG
     
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  11. scrat

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    slugs is better than boooolit
     
  12. Mike 56

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    This Yankee likes boolit better than bullet or slug.

    Mike
     
  13. scrat

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    let me see if i can say this correctly.



    Here lyes less more. 2 slugs from a 44 less no more
     
  14. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    I thought it was:

    Here lyes Les more
    2 slugs from a 44
    no Less no more
     
  15. Bayou Runner

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    LEE looks like what I'm lookin for.

    SG, Voodoo, & 4v50, if that LEE 452 BP boolit is heeled like it looks, it shouldn't be too triflin hard to load in my 1860 pie eater. I plan on contacting them tomorrow and see if I can get some specs. Then to Midway for the mould. Got some ideas I want to work with on it. Anybody read Backwoodsman? Then you'll know what I'm thinking on. Thanks also for the explanation on the proper way to say bullet. Ole' Less didn't need no more than 2 boolits from a 44. Don't imagine there'd be many out there that would!
     
  16. RecoilRob

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    Lester Moore...

    The tombstone and me...
     

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  17. Marlin 45 carbine

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    Bayou Runner you may have to use a loading stand to load them. I have a '58 Rem they load in easily but some of the '51 fellers say the .44 won't fit the slugs under the ram. of course this is the .44 version of the original which was a .36. don't remember anyone saying about the '60 though. I'd say that you will like them. a max load in my '58 blew thru a jack pine that stopped a 125gr SJHP .357.
     
  18. pohill

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    That's why the South lost the war - by the time you got out the sentence, "y'all betta duck, there's a booooooooooooooolit a comin' yer way," it was too late.

    "There ya go agin, neva can make you happy..." Stumpy in RIO BRAVO.
    Oh yeah, Walter Brennan was from MA.
     
  19. Mike 56

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    I don't know about a 60 Colt but you can load them in in a 51 Colt with the loading arm. Put the Lee Boolit in on a angle and push it down with your thumb an till you can get it under the loading ram. It is a pain but you can do it. Before i bought my cylinder loading stand i found it was easier to bench load the cylinder with short starter than to use the loading arm when loading boolits.

    Mike
     
  20. 4v50 Gary

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    Thank you Recoil Rob for that photographic evidence correcting us on our faulty memory. :D
     
  21. Voodoochile

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    Since I wore my old Lee mold out to where it needed a new handle set & that I've reamed out the chambers to my almost a year old Pietta '58 with it's 5.5" barrel to a nice .4510, I ordered a new .456 220gr. conical Lee bullet mold for it.

    Hey Marlin:
    What was your max load for your '58?
    I've put 40gr. FFFG Goex & a .457 143gr. Ball through both of mine & the most Ive tried with my old 200gr. .451 Lee Bullets were 30gr. FFFG Goex, lookes as though you can make it 35gr., am I right?
     
  22. Smokin_Gun

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    LoL! Pohill:evil: Well if that's the case I hummbley ask ya Sir ... what in the hell is a Cat Ridge... a Yankie Boy once asked me, we was fightin' Indians out West in the mid 1870's, anyway this hea boy asked for a Cat Ridge I said a whaaat? He said Catridge you know catridges for the COLT... I said ohhh you mean Boolits don't cha...just then we were over run and all killed.

    SG
     
  23. Pops

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    BOOLIT = cast lead projectile
    BULLET = jacketed projectile ( aka.."jacketed", "j-word", "condom" )

    Pops
     
  24. Smokin_Gun

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    Pops that means as in not shootin' blanks either way??? LoL!

    SG
     
  25. mykeal

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    Articap - No. However, exactly what it's called is a bit of a mystery. It is almost a prolate spheroid, but the flat part defies my solid geometry vocabulary. Perhaps it's a truncated prolate spheroid...that's the closest I can come without references. How about axially truncated prolate spheroid, or just axially truncated sphere? Nope, it's no longer a sphere - wait, I got it: axially truncated spheroid. Yep, that's it.

    I gotta get a job.
     
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