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1897 black powder shooting test

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Man it took a bit of work to clean the shotgun that evening.
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How are you cleaning your gun ? I shoot BPCR (black powder cartridge rifles) and can have my gun cleaned and put away in 10 minutes or so.

I use a mixture of 1/2 water 1/2 ballistol initially. Good old fashioned gum turpentine is what I use for lead removal (lifts crud out) but also works on cleaning, has to be the real stuff, not synthetic.

There are other black powder residue removers that will work.

If you do a lot of shooting with BP, you will have an issue with the fouling getting hard and crusty in the barrel if you don't address it as you go along. BPCR shooters are constantly employing fouling control as they shoot matches.

So take some dry and pre-moistened patches with you when you are simply shooting for fun and intermittently clean your barrel. If will make it much easier to clean the gun when finished.
 
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i use plastic hulls, cheddite or fiocchi, with 82 grains of ffg black powder. i build it up with an over powder card, lubed 1/2 inch fiber wad, over shot card, ether 11/8 oz of #6 shot or 12 #1 buck (3 rows of 4 pellets), another overshot card and 8 fold crimp. i have never used them in a pump gun. i may have to try it and see how it works. good video. i have also loaded some patched .66 round balls but yet have the chance to try them. i find they slide smoothly down a modified choke with a snug but not tight fit. even an improved modified. when i use smokeless powder i load them in a Waa12 wad and use in a cyl bore only. looking forward to your next video.
 
Kalbo,

Sounds like you have a lot of experience with this. I will try again and LOve the idea of a .66 ball! So you put a patch before the ball before the wad?
 
I will try again and LOve the idea of a .66 ball!
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Buck and ball is a ton of fun in a shotgun. I use black powder reloads (I use the 2 1/2" brass shells from magtech) in my 1897. It's a ton of fun.
 
How do the brass shells feed? I heard they need a slight roll to action well in a pump?
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I don't have a roll on mine and they feed no problem in the 1897. I don't know if that's typical for all pump though (my only pump is an 1897 so it's a sample size of one). They're a lot of fun with the blackpowder as the shells eject while still smoking. They seem to be holding up well also (so far I've reloaded 50 of them about 5 times).
 
Why are you using BP in your model 97 ?
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Not the OP, but I can tell you my reasons:
1) It's awesome and a ton of fun.
2) I just started in the reloading game, so at this moment I'm only reloading .45LC and 12ga. I use BP in my .45LC (it has the advantage of being impossible for me to overload a .45LC w/ BP while reloading in less than ideal field conditions).
3) It's not that much harder to clean than smokeless.
4) Model 1897s were built to shoot smokeless but also were still very much used with blackpowder. Mine was built in 1898 or 1899 and has the old short chamberm so I really have to reload for it. Since I have a ton of BP anyways, that's what is used and seeing how well it's worked, I'm likely to continue using it for a long time.
4) It's awesome.
6) It is a ton of fun to shoot.
 
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Why are you using BP in your model 97 ?

Not the OP, but I can tell you my reasons:
1) It's awesome and a ton of fun.
2) I just started in the reloading game, so at this moment I'm only reloading .45LC and 12ga. I use BP in my .45LC (it has the advantage of being impossible for me to overload a .45LC w/ BP while reloading in less than ideal field conditions).
3) It's not that much harder to clean than smokeless.
4) Model 1897s were built to shoot smokeless but also were still very much used with blackpowder. Mine was built in 1898 or 1899 and has the old short chamberm so I really have to reload for it. Since I have a ton of BP anyways, that's what is used and seeing how well it's worked, I'm likely to continue using it for a long time.
4) It's awesome.
6) It is a ton of fun to shoot.
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What he said. That cloud of smoke... Its a different experience although I find cleaning a pain thank goodness its a take down. Much easier to clean :D
 
[So you put a patch before the ball before the wad]

i build up the wad column and wrap a lubed patch around the ball and stick it in the hull.

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Jeff tanner in the UK can make a brass mold in any caliber you want. i chose a .66 round ball. with shipping it came to $56. i chose this for loading in Waa12 wads for smokeless powder. the .69 round ball was just to tight in a shot cup. my single shots and double barrels have modified and improved modified chokes. to tight for a ball in a plastic wad, but with a lubed patch they slide right through snug but not tight. so i loaded them in my black powder loads. it is a 16 bore round ball and mine weigh in at 420 grains. plan on taking them with me this fall in case i run into something bigger than a squirrel.

i loaded them over 82 grains of black powder. i use an over powder card and build up the rest with lubed fiber wads. the type of hull really don't matter as long as they are in good condition. you can pick up a bunch at the skeet range. i do like the clear hulls so i can see what is in them.
 
Black powder shotgun shells were commercially loaded well into the 30's. I have a copy of a 1930 UMC-Remington ammo price list and it lists BP shells. Black powder did not automatically go away and still hasn't just because smokeless was introduced.
 
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