texjack
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What do you think, and/or want, the gun mfgrs to build to celebrate the century mark for this timeless wonder of JMB?
1911-2011 3 more years!
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dhoomonyou
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a 1911 made IN THE USA
no mim parts
true to JMB's original design
black matte & OR a GLOCK type finish (DURABLE)
45acp of course
under $1100.00
usable grips and sights
good to go out of the box, no fluffing or tuning
a very simple engraving
JMB's MASTER pistol 1911-2011 100 years and still going strong
G-d Bless Americas gun.
no mim parts
true to JMB's original design
black matte & OR a GLOCK type finish (DURABLE)
45acp of course
under $1100.00
usable grips and sights
good to go out of the box, no fluffing or tuning
a very simple engraving
JMB's MASTER pistol 1911-2011 100 years and still going strong
G-d Bless Americas gun.
HorseSoldier
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I like dhoomonyou's idea. My guess, though, is that at least some 1911 manufacturers will be turning out gold-engraved non-shooters that would make the average pimp blush 
to cash in on the commemerative spirit.
to cash in on the commemerative spirit.Make an all-steel M1911 with all-steel parts and a well-done royal blue finish. Variants can have milspec finish. No engraving. No pimp. No tacticool doodads and widgets. All business.
When the anniversary of the 1911A1 rolls around, do an -A1 as above.
Mike
When the anniversary of the 1911A1 rolls around, do an -A1 as above.
Mike
I like the idea, and I would purchase one of them, if they were true to JMB's intended design and quality...Mil Spec.
This is why I purchased Colt's WWI Reproduction, then was disappointed to learn that it is not a true "Mil Spec", nor did they limit the production to 4,000 as they had promised.
My feeling is that if this is what we want, should we not seek out a serious manufacturer to prompt them to build it for us?
Doc2005
This is why I purchased Colt's WWI Reproduction, then was disappointed to learn that it is not a true "Mil Spec", nor did they limit the production to 4,000 as they had promised.
My feeling is that if this is what we want, should we not seek out a serious manufacturer to prompt them to build it for us?
Doc2005
BrokenArrow
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Nice to see it's still going strong. There are a lot of good reasons why, but the three most important are 1) the US kept it as a service pistol for 40 more years after WWII, 2) the RKBA in the USA, and 3) action shooting games w a power factor biased scoring system. Absent those it would have retired and faded away long ago IMO.
I like 'em a lot, respect 'em, but I'm not as nostalgic as some of ya are. They have saved my life, bit so have seat belts and fuses.
I was issued various M1911A1s by Uncle Sam. GI and Match. All were WWII guns many times rebuilt by the time they got issued to me in the late 70s early 80s.
The SA Mil-Specs I have now are better than any of the GI guns, and while not as accurate as the Match guns, more reliable than either too. Of course, they ain't 40 yrs old and many times rebuilt...
Think anybody will care as much about Glocks in 2080?
Three 1911s for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Gun to rule them all, One Gun to find them,
One Gun to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
I like 'em a lot, respect 'em, but I'm not as nostalgic as some of ya are. They have saved my life, bit so have seat belts and fuses.
I was issued various M1911A1s by Uncle Sam. GI and Match. All were WWII guns many times rebuilt by the time they got issued to me in the late 70s early 80s.
The SA Mil-Specs I have now are better than any of the GI guns, and while not as accurate as the Match guns, more reliable than either too. Of course, they ain't 40 yrs old and many times rebuilt...
Think anybody will care as much about Glocks in 2080?
Three 1911s for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Gun to rule them all, One Gun to find them,
One Gun to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
I think we'll see many "gaudy" 1911's with gold etchings of JMB's face or laser etched on stocks...same gun, same quality...higher price. I'd bet you'll see ads in the American Rifleman at least a year in advance...early bird and all that!
Perhaps, some of the "high end" 1911s will have something "tasteful"..we'll see.
Colt should have the best one with a modification of their WWI frame/model...IMHO. Booklet of the history, photos , etc. Could be "neat" if done right!
Perhaps, some of the "high end" 1911s will have something "tasteful"..we'll see.
Colt should have the best one with a modification of their WWI frame/model...IMHO. Booklet of the history, photos , etc. Could be "neat" if done right!
Colt should look at Harley Davidson and see what they did for their 100th anniversary. Harley made some very limited (and expensive) bikes, but also offered the Black & Liquid Silver color scheme on regular bikes, and identified every 2003 model year bike as a 100th Anniversary bike. (http://www.h-dmedia.com/100_mediasi...ff/071302-2.asp)
Some ideas?
100 hand-made, hand-fitted replicas in a nice presentation case.
1,911 production-line made replicas in true-to-period packaging.
100th Anniversary Models that are replicas except for a "100th Anniversary" roll mark on the frame and slide.
Produce all 1911s that year with "100th Anniversary" grips.
Some ideas?
100 hand-made, hand-fitted replicas in a nice presentation case.
1,911 production-line made replicas in true-to-period packaging.
100th Anniversary Models that are replicas except for a "100th Anniversary" roll mark on the frame and slide.
Produce all 1911s that year with "100th Anniversary" grips.
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That'd be awesome...
Hmmm. You gotta know that every mfg is going to jump all over this bandwagon. But as for me what I would like to see is alot like the post from dhoomonyou except that I would not mind seeing it in a variation of finishes. A deep blued finish that looks like you can reach into it, as well as a parkerized and a stainless of course. No "bling" style engravings but rather a tasteful etching of a "century of service".
Lets also keep it priced for the average joe. No custom price tags.
Lets also keep it priced for the average joe. No custom price tags.
1911 guy
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Ain't gonna happen.
They're making too much money selling MIM and tolerance stacked pistols to worry about doing it right. The handgun buying public hasn't demanded it of them, and likely won't. Those of us who'd like a well built, cost be blasted, don't spare the horses, handgun are in the minority.
BrokenArrow said:
1) the US kept it as a service pistol for 40 more years after WWII, 2) the RKBA in the USA, and 3) action shooting games w a power factor biased scoring system. Absent those it would have retired and faded away long ago
I'll make an argument that the 1911 stands on it's own merits. Not that it is the "Be ALL and End All" in handguns, but that it hardly needs a crutch.
1) So what? Military armament has typically had more of an influence on cartridge developement and civilian ammunition sales than firearm type. The M-16 has been in service for about forty years. AR's are still controversal in the mainstream shooting community, but the cartridge is widely popular as a varmint and target round. Who uses an M-14 for deer? How about .308?
2) There are a whole lot of other firearm to own, even handguns to CCW. Why would one choose the 1911? Because it does it's job well. If it didn't, it would have gone the way of the dodo bird in about 1912. Having a drivers license doesn't make me go out to buy a certain type of vehicle. I choose what I want. Folks want the 1911.
3) Gun games are increasingly capacity based. Everything from 9mm. and up will make power factor. Theoretically, a gamer with a high capacity 9mm should clean house, saving reload time during stages. They don't. Why? The 1911 is so ergonomically designed to make shooting at speed more accurate and efficient than a wide, chunky, weird grip angle, competing handgun. Winners usually are found in possession of single stack .45's. No powder puff loads, either. I've got a picture of a nationaly known shooter loading from a box of .45acp Winchester White Box.
There are other handguns out there, some more suited to one's needs than Ol' Slabsides. The 1911, though, suits my needs well, as well as the needs of millions of others.
I'd like to see a full size, all steel, no MIM gun with the only option being a beavertail for those of us with hammerbite problems and useable sights.
Ain't gonna happen, though.
They're making too much money selling MIM and tolerance stacked pistols to worry about doing it right. The handgun buying public hasn't demanded it of them, and likely won't. Those of us who'd like a well built, cost be blasted, don't spare the horses, handgun are in the minority.
BrokenArrow said:
1) the US kept it as a service pistol for 40 more years after WWII, 2) the RKBA in the USA, and 3) action shooting games w a power factor biased scoring system. Absent those it would have retired and faded away long ago
I'll make an argument that the 1911 stands on it's own merits. Not that it is the "Be ALL and End All" in handguns, but that it hardly needs a crutch.
1) So what? Military armament has typically had more of an influence on cartridge developement and civilian ammunition sales than firearm type. The M-16 has been in service for about forty years. AR's are still controversal in the mainstream shooting community, but the cartridge is widely popular as a varmint and target round. Who uses an M-14 for deer? How about .308?
2) There are a whole lot of other firearm to own, even handguns to CCW. Why would one choose the 1911? Because it does it's job well. If it didn't, it would have gone the way of the dodo bird in about 1912. Having a drivers license doesn't make me go out to buy a certain type of vehicle. I choose what I want. Folks want the 1911.
3) Gun games are increasingly capacity based. Everything from 9mm. and up will make power factor. Theoretically, a gamer with a high capacity 9mm should clean house, saving reload time during stages. They don't. Why? The 1911 is so ergonomically designed to make shooting at speed more accurate and efficient than a wide, chunky, weird grip angle, competing handgun. Winners usually are found in possession of single stack .45's. No powder puff loads, either. I've got a picture of a nationaly known shooter loading from a box of .45acp Winchester White Box.
There are other handguns out there, some more suited to one's needs than Ol' Slabsides. The 1911, though, suits my needs well, as well as the needs of millions of others.
I'd like to see a full size, all steel, no MIM gun with the only option being a beavertail for those of us with hammerbite problems and useable sights.
Ain't gonna happen, though.
BrokenArrow
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I know what you mean, but I don't think you know what I mean...
What I meant was, if the US Army had switched to the BHP in 1946, handguns had been severely restricted/banned in the USA, and there were no action shooting games and/or major power factor, the 1911 would have faded away like an old soldier. 1,2, and 3 worked together to keep the 45 ACP/1911 more familiar, available, and desireable here and around the world than they would have been absent them.
Certainly would not be as popular as it is now. Would be even less popular in the rest of the world than it is now, which is way less than here. Where they have some popularity, it is related to 1, 2, and 3 here and there too. I've spent plenty of time in Europe, Africa, and Asia. The 1911 is deservedly respected, and you see them, but it's not as familiar, available, or desireable as it is here.
The more/less 1, 2, and 3 apply here/there, the more/less popular the 1911 is in any caliber for military, LE, and personal use. Why it's more popular south of the border than overseas, and why the rest of the world isn't as goo-goo over 1911s in 45ACP, 9x19, or any other caliber.
OTOH, can say that about any gun/caliber.
What I meant was, if the US Army had switched to the BHP in 1946, handguns had been severely restricted/banned in the USA, and there were no action shooting games and/or major power factor, the 1911 would have faded away like an old soldier. 1,2, and 3 worked together to keep the 45 ACP/1911 more familiar, available, and desireable here and around the world than they would have been absent them.
Certainly would not be as popular as it is now. Would be even less popular in the rest of the world than it is now, which is way less than here. Where they have some popularity, it is related to 1, 2, and 3 here and there too. I've spent plenty of time in Europe, Africa, and Asia. The 1911 is deservedly respected, and you see them, but it's not as familiar, available, or desireable as it is here.
The more/less 1, 2, and 3 apply here/there, the more/less popular the 1911 is in any caliber for military, LE, and personal use. Why it's more popular south of the border than overseas, and why the rest of the world isn't as goo-goo over 1911s in 45ACP, 9x19, or any other caliber.
OTOH, can say that about any gun/caliber.
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bluetopper
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STI has alrady had a 2011 model for a while.
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I agree with the concept of a COMMERCIAL 1911, flat mainspring housing, nice blued finish, as close as possible to the original commercial 1911. Not gonna happen for under $1500 though, and maybe not for that. Of course, the way the inflation that doesn't exist is going by 2011 it will not happen for under $2300. Things have value, paper does not, especially when currency presses are run at overdrive. Should be able to dredge this thread up again in four years and see, if we still have the right to keep and bear arms.
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