1911 22s?

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haven't really paid much attention to auto 22 pistols
(or shot them) before but recently looked at some conversion kits for 1911s and their pretty expensive. if ur gonna spend that kind of money what are the great significants behind it other than cheap ammo?
 
if ur gonna spend that kind of money what are the great significants behind it other than cheap ammo?
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....Cheap ammo!! :D

Last Sunday with my new 22, I left the range because I got tired not because I ran out of ammo....spending less than 10 dollars...

You are best served by one of the relatively inexpensive target 22 (S&W 22A, Ruger, etc...)

The SIG Mosquito is very expensive for what it is...a cheap plastic small autoloader with a short barrel (3.9")...the Walther P22 feels a bit better but it cost even more and the pistol is just too small.

At the next level, the CZ Cadet is a very nice copy of a "real" CZ 75, the Kimber Rimfire is the same compared to a regular service caliber 1911....the question is, is it wise to spend $600-700 for a .22 trainer?? (we are not talking about serious target pieces)....personally, I don't think so....

The Chiappa 1911-22 is the cheapest of the .22 that resemble a regular service pistol......however for a $299 sticker price (real "street price" is a bit lower) you get basically a zinc alloy handgun which is nothing else than a modified version of a blank firing pistol made by the same company with a plastic magazine and horrible finishing....for the same price you can get a very nice S&W 22A (I sold my 1911-22 yesterday...I could not stomach the toy pistol feeling)

Honestly, the only reason I see to buy a 22 resembling a regular service pistol is if your main carry is that specific pistol....and even then, when it comes to actual shooting it's not going to help you more compared to a regular target 22...the recoil, report and just shooting feeling is totally different compared to the regular calibers...
 
well if I wanted to go the .22 route whats the cheapest (and reliable) auto I should look into. i've played with a walter that felt really good. if I bought one it would have to be around $250 any suggestions?
 
You'd have to find one used to come in at $250, but I'd suggest finding one of the various Rugers or Buckmarks. Nothing new in that price range will compare.
 
I got my brand new S&W 22A Saturday at Cabela's for $199

It shoot like a dream

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Cheap ammo and a trainer that works exactly the same as your primary carry piece is enough for me. My .22lr GSG-1911 will more than pay for itself in less than 2500 rounds compared to shooting my 9mm 1911 and I've put at least 10% of that through it in the first range session. It functions exactly the same as my duty gun, fits in the same holsters, mag changes are the same, etc., the only thing missing is recoil and muzzle blast and the extra money I need for practice ammo.

Will it replace training with my "real" 1911, of course not, but will supplementing the shooting I already do with the same basic gun in .22lr help me improve on my skills? Darn right!

Here's a pic of my GSG and my Springfield Loaded for comparison-
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You can buy the basic Ciener conversion kit for your 1911 for under 200.00 and have a very accurate and dependable 22LR pistol. I have and use Ciener's "Platinum" conversion kit with the adjustable sights and it's like having a Colt Gold Cup in 22LR. Consider a kit and save a 100.00 bucks for ammo.
 
Or get a Ciener "Scratch and Dent" for $150 or a Ciener "Overstock" for $160.

Be aware, though, that Ciener is a small shop and has been overrun with orders lately. They've had a hard time answering people's questions in a timely manner and some people equate that with poor product and/or poor customer service. Due to the # of complains they have a "poor" rating with the better business bureau...

All that being said, if you're willing to be patient with them they should provide you with a reliable and well made product for less than the alternatives out there.
 
Ciener are just jerks. Order it from Brownell's or Midway and deal with THEIR customer service if necessary..

The only drawback to my Ciener is no hold-open on the last round. Other than that, it's fantastic. The recoil isn't the same, but I use hot ammo, and the slide is a lot lighter than a real one, so it's more than you would think. I can shoot until my hand is tired. then I switch hands. :)

I'm seriously considering building s dedicated frame for it. I have three 15 rd mags.
 
all but i think the Tac-Sol conversion kits don't hold the slide back on an empty mag. it's because the slide isn't steel and will eventually wear out.

that said i shoot a Wilson/Marvel conversion. it's much better than the Wilson/Ciener conversion that i had. the Marvel eats everything and is more accurate than the Ciener. also the Marvel works with ramped barrel and 9mm frames, where the Ciener does not.

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i've heard good things about the ATI 1911-22. if it was on the market back when i bought my Wilson/Marvel conversion, i might have looked into it.
 
i didn't care for my P22. too small for me, and it jammed a lot.
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Same here. Its a jam-o-holic!. Ive had 3 now thinking every time "No way will i have another that jams"... Im done with them now... Same as the Mosquito. As "cool" as the mosquito looks, its just a pile of junk.

For a Dependable .22 pistol its very very very very very hard to beat the Ruger's and Buckmarks. Smith & Wesson's are pretty dependable too.

If you really want a good .22 with 1911 like quality's for training. Look at the Ruger 22/45, and especially the newer 22/45rp (Replaceable panel).

Although i have had good luck with my Wilson .22 conversion top end, I find myself shooting the Ruger 22/45 the most of my .22's Its quick to load, it doesn't scratch you up or cut you (like my CZ with Kadet .22 kit!... those mags are freaking sharp!).

Its a ruger with the same grip angle, mag release, and slide lock as the 1911.

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my Ciener did, but not my Marvel, unless using standard velocity ammo. Hi-Velocity ammo is recommended for the Marvel Unit 2
 
I have the Chiappa 1911-22 and S&W 22a. The S&W is a ball to shoot and very accurate. I'm also very impressed with the accuracy of the Chiappa and hoping that as it gets broken in the 10% stove pipe issue is resolved.

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if ur gonna spend that kind of money what are the great significants behind it other than cheap ammo?
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Cheap ammo. :) You can't duplicate the recoil, of course, but if you practice regularly with the .22 and only shoot the .45 occasionally, you will shoot better than if you only practiced sporadically with the .45. This was less of a question 10 or even five years ago, when .45 generic ball was $9 or $10 a box.
 
If you want to get additional trigger time with your favorite 1911 then a 22 conversion unit is an excellent choice. However, if you want a relaible 22 then you can purchase a Ruger or Browning Buckmark for about the same price as the conversion unit.
 
In response to the question about the Ciener Conversion units "jamming", I have owned two, and presently own a Ciener Platinum model and I have never had a jamming problem with either of them. I will say after using the 22 unit, I give it a good cleaning along with it's two mags and lightly oil it before putting it away. :)
 
I've got the kimber upper unit that I run on my kimber .45 lower. It's fun and cheap, but don't expect them to function well with the value pack stuff.
 
to the OP,

the "great significance" of adding a .22 conversion to the 1911 lets one shoot the trigger of the 1911.

1911 shooters frequently choose the gun due to the exceptional trigger, and the ability to "know" the trigger, especially, I am told time and time again by the best shooters, when it is a Roll Trigger, rather than a Clean Break trigger.

Knowing when the trigger breaks allows the marksman the greatest control as to when the shot breaks.

If you have a .22 conversion, you can practice and get to know that trigger, and when it breaks with thousands of rounds of practice at a 1/10th of the price of .45 ammo, that practice will be transferable to when the .45 is put back on.

Granted, the recoil can not truly be duplicated, but the Time on the Trigger will yield benefits.

It is better than dry firing, for sure; something that I need to be doing much more myself.
 
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