1911 ka-boom

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Actually ka-boom-boom is a better description.

Four friends and I decided to stick around after the club meeting tonight and do some low-light/no-light shooting with our handguns and flashlights. Due to the lighting conditions (none), we were taking turns shooting so that we didn't have to worry about "line creep" in the dark. The last shooter (Moose) ran a few magazines through his Springfield mil-spec .45 and then, half way through his last mag, he had a very peculiar sounding round and was completely shrouded in smoke.

I'm not sure if the others noticed, but his loads were producing quite a bit more muzzle flash than anyone else's.....up until the last "shot." His last "shot" produced no flash, a huge cloud of smoke, and quite a bit of recoil. After determining that Moose was not injured, Paul and I reconstructed the event as follows......

Ka-boom #1 was on the 4th shot of his last magazine and resulted either from an over pressure reload, an excessively weak case, or a combination of both. The front half of the case separated and remained stuck in the chamber. The rear half of the case ruptured in the unsupported area just above the feed ramp, venting downward into the magazine. The primer completely exited the primer pocket, leaving the pocket with a distinct oval shape. The rear half of the case was extracted and ejected normally.

Ka-boom #2 was an out-of-battery slam-fire caused by a large piece of KB #1's primer that was stuck in the firing pin channel. The bullet was still on the feed ramp when the primer was struck by the piece protruding from the firing pin channel and fired INTO the feed ramp. The case ruptured from the mouth to the web and vented out the ejection port. The rim of the case is bent into a V due to not being square to the breech face upon ignition. If the primer from KB#1 hadn't lodged in the firing pin channel, KB#2 would have simply been a nose-dive jam instead of a ka-boom.

The magazine follower was jammed at the bottom of it's travel, and the magazine contained the following: 1 undamaged live round (probably #7), 1 live round with a large divot on the side of the bullet and with the bullet set back into the case approximately 1/4 inch, the bullet from KB#2 (complete with a perfect impression of the top of the feed ramp), the ruptured case from KB#2, and a primer anvil. The piece from KB#1's primer that was stuck in the firing pin channel was observed and removed, but fell into the dirt and was lost. The front half of the first case was still stuck in the barrel.

Other than an excessive amount of powder fouling, the 1911 appears to still be functional. :what: The slide moves freely, and (in the dark, using a flashlight) there doesn't appear to be any damage to the barrel, frame, or slide. This is all pending a complete examination, however. Paul took it home with him to remove the split case and to do a thorough check of the gun. Moose was a little shaken up but was not injured.

Very interesting...........I have quite a bit of respect for the strength of the 1911 platform after this. The shooter had both hands on the gun in a classic Weaver stance, yet he was not injured in any way. Way to go JMB.

Moose took the pieces of ruptured brass and the bullet home with him, but I'll try to get some pictures the next time I see him. When I do, I'll post them here.


Len in PHoenix
 
Ka Boom

Wow...That's some story Len.

I've seen a few blow the cases under the throated area, but
only one that was this spectacular. it set off two rounds in the magazine, ruining the magazine and damaging the grip panels with slight injury to the shooter's hands. Just goes to show that anything can happen when we deal with even low-pressure ammo. Wear eye protection...Always!

What brand of cases were involved? I've seen a few case head separations with certain brands, but when they occured, the rupture was contained in the chamber, with the head section ejecting and a failure to return to battery being the only indication that anything had gone wrong.

Thanks for the reminder that we all need from time to time. Inspect
reloadable cases frequently. Wear eye protection. Take first-aid
provisions to the range with you. Whenever possible, shoot with a friend.

Luck!

Tuner
 
Were these cartridges loaded by the gun's owner, commercial reloads, oe what? Also, do you know if the rounds were assembled on once-fired cases or something else?

Sure glad no one was hurt ...

And yes, it says a lot about the Browning/Colt design.
 
These were owner reloaded with range pickup brass. No clue how many times they had been through the mill.

KB#1 was G.F.I. (Fiocchi??), KB#2 was WCC64.

IIRC, Moose said that he was loading 5.3gr of HP38.....bullets were 230gr fmj's and had a tight taper crimp. I don't remember what primer he used, and I haven't checked my books to see if his load is under max.


More info to come as I can get it.

Len in PHoenix
 
5.3 grains of HP-38 under a 230 grain FMJ bullet should be well under maximum. In fact, it should propel that bullet only to the tune of about 775 feet per second or there abouts. I am thinking ka-boom number one was a double charge.
 
I love Ka-Booms! I have some cases out in the shop that did that and I have blown the grips off of two 1911's with 40 S&W and 38 Super LD (Load Developement.) Boy, that smarts! The Red Eye Special has thin SS shims under the grips just in case we have to do do some more research.
 
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The quote:

I love Ka-Booms! I have some cases out in the shop that did that and I have blown the grips off of two 1911's with 40 S&W and 38 Super LD (Load Developement.)

The response:

Load Development Rule One:

There is nothing that you can do that hasn't already been done.

Load Development Rule Two:

The pressure required to accelerate a 165-grain bullet to 1350
fps in a 5-inch barrel is more than sufficient to blow your eyeballs
through the back of your head and shorten your fingers by two
distal joints.

Vaya con Dios!

Tuner
 
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