1911 Newbie question

[p_pac]

Hi,

I just got the fullsize 1911 (Kimber TLR ii). If I carry it cocked and lock, what will happen if I try pushing the firing pin directly? Would the gun fires?

Thanks
P_Pac

 

[OpFlash]

How could you push the firing pin? Do you mean the hammer?

The 1911 has a grip safety, and I believe most modern ones have internal firing pin blockers as well. It should not go off unless the trigger itself is pulled. That said, I don't think I'd beat on the hammer or the firing pin!

 

[p_pac]

Umm. Well. No, I didn't mean the hammer. I was just wondering if you carry it condition 1 and then something accidentally hit the firing pin directly, would it fire?

If you said it has the firing pin safety where it will only fire when the trigger pulls only then it's good to know..

I'm trying to study more about it before I start to carry it.

Thanks..
P_Pac

 

[GW]

That would have to be one seriously freakish accident but yes if the firing pin were to be struck you could get a discharge. I just can't imagine how it could happen,

 

[p_pac]

What about the firing pin safety? Does that mean the firing pin safety doesn't apply in this case? (The hammer still cock, thumb safety on, and something accidentally hit the firing pin)

I know it's a slim chance of accident like that, but I just want to know more on how it's operates..

 

[EvisceratorSrB]

I've only fired a 1911 once, but I looked around and found this:

http://www.sightm1911.com/index.htm

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/KimberProCDPII.htm

Safety mechanism in detail ^^^^^^^^^^^^
To me, it gave me a better insight on the firearm. Hopefully it will be as informative to you.

EDIT: I noticed I couldn't find the "TLR II" (couldn't find any info on it). However, the above safety mechanism explains the "Series II" version.

 

[LiquidTension]

AFAIK, the firing pin safety is engaged until the trigger is pressed, and the trigger can't be engaged unless the manual safety and grip safety are disengaged. Banging the firing pin while in C1 shouldn't set off the chambered round unless something is broken.

There's my SWAG, waiting for 1911Tuner to chime in.

EDIT: Ah, Series II is different. Mine's pre-SII and has a different setup.

 

[Azrael256]

On any 1911 without a firing pin block safety, the weapon can be discharged by striking the firing pin with sufficient force. No doubt about it, it will fire.

'Course, you'd need a punch and a hammer to do it. It's one of those things that you'd have to be intentionally trying to do. I would be far, far more concerned about being struck by lightning while scratching off a winning lotto ticket than I would about my gun discharging from something striking the firing pin.

I believe the Series II uses the Swartz safety (after a fashion), so the firing pin block would be tied to the grip safety, not the trigger. It's supposed to provide the additional firing pin safety without the nasty trigger of the S80 style. I dunno about either of them as I don't care for either.

 

[AirForceShooter]

you might be thre first person that ever thought of that.
Why would you even think of hitting the firing pin?

AFS

 

[XavierBreath]

The chances of anything hitting the firing pin of a properly holstered C&L 1911 with sufficient force to ignite a primer and fire off a chambered round are infintessibly small.

Theoretically, it could happen. Theoretically, I could be hit in the head with a meteorite too. I'm not going to walk around with a helmet on my head though.

FWIW, with a Series II Kimber, you have a firing pin safety. If it makes you feel any better, the blow would have to occur, and the firing pin safety would have to fail. If that possibility concerns you, then it might be best to reconsider your weapon of choice, reconsider carrying a weapon at all, or even reconsider leaving your home. You might get hit by a meteorite.

 

[p_pac]

My bad... It's actually the Custom TLE-II,(Tactical Law Enforecement). It's one of those special edition thing..NOT the TLR-II..

Anyway, Thanks for all reply, My friend who's familiar with TLE-II and he said to try it this way..

of course, make sure the gun is UNLOAD..

Condition1, try use small object and push the firing pin, if it goes deep (about 1"), it will fire.

So I tried it, it didn't fire.
Tried with safety on and safety off, Still didn't fire

Grip the grip safety, then, it goes deep!, I assume it will fire.

I'm sure condition 1 is safe because almost everyone carry it that way. I'm just wondering what would happen if (very small, tiny chance that something hit the firing pin)...

Thanks agian guys.
P_Pac

 

[Quinch]

If I take the slide and barrel off my Glock, put a round in the chamber, take out the transfer bar safety, and whack the striker with a brass punch and mallet, it will fire.

Just as likely.