1915T Russian Army Rifle
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shotgunjoel
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That's an interesting rifle. It has the old style sights and barrel bands, which is correct for a Westinghouse contract, but the stock doesn't have provisions for a sling, and the length looks off. I don't think that it is a 1907 carbine, as the end of the barrel looks long, and the rear sight is different. Where did you get it? My guess is that someone cut down an M1891 at some point, but the stock should still have a slot for a sling. Interesting indeed.
jobu07
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As it stands it looks like it may have been a cut down M91 N.E.W. Value? Sum of its parts or perhaps $100-$150 if it is indeed "sporterized." If it was imported this way and was altered to its present condition by an arnsenal at some point then it may have much more value. If it were in standard configuration the N.E.W. and Remington M91's are going upwards to $400 these days.
Can you check the side of the receiver or the end of the barrel for an importers mark? That will help us shed some light on the subject. Also close ups of the various points of the weapon. Barrel bands, stock estuecheons (or where they'd go), and the hand guard as well. It does indeed look carbine length, so this may have cut down.
Can you check the side of the receiver or the end of the barrel for an importers mark? That will help us shed some light on the subject. Also close ups of the various points of the weapon. Barrel bands, stock estuecheons (or where they'd go), and the hand guard as well. It does indeed look carbine length, so this may have cut down.
It's not too bad a job of sporterizing. I's say somewhere around $200.
airedaleman
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Not sure how they were marked, but it could be a Bannerman gun, These had the barrel shortened at the breech end and rechambered to 30-06. Gun should be looked at by a competent 'smith...
Edit: Just checked and it doesn't look as if barrel has been shortened. The serial number would have been obliterated had the barrel been cut back at the breech end.
Edit: Just checked and it doesn't look as if barrel has been shortened. The serial number would have been obliterated had the barrel been cut back at the breech end.
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Chevelle SS
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$150
I don't see a full length picture, but your rifle may never have left the US. Lots of them were never delivered to the Russians.
Some were issued to the US troops who invaded Russia in 1919. Made sense to issue rifles where you could use local ammunition.
I think the US government sold many off after WW1, I think you could get one through the DCM.
I have seen several captured by the Finns. From what I can see of your stock, it does not look like a Finnish rebuild.
All original Westinghouse rifles are rare.
Some were issued to the US troops who invaded Russia in 1919. Made sense to issue rifles where you could use local ammunition.
I think the US government sold many off after WW1, I think you could get one through the DCM.
I have seen several captured by the Finns. From what I can see of your stock, it does not look like a Finnish rebuild.
All original Westinghouse rifles are rare.
Shadow 7D
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Yes, ALL matching, ALL oringinal westinghouse rifles are rare,
your best case is it's a M1907 (still used ashrami (sp) sites, but I think they had a slightly different carbine sight) as for value,
what ever you can sell it for, sorry but, that is not how the riflle was manufactured, and without more information, it is impossible to put a value on it short of saying you probably can sell it for more than the 50-75 a sporter mosin usually goes for.
your best case is it's a M1907 (still used ashrami (sp) sites, but I think they had a slightly different carbine sight) as for value,
what ever you can sell it for, sorry but, that is not how the riflle was manufactured, and without more information, it is impossible to put a value on it short of saying you probably can sell it for more than the 50-75 a sporter mosin usually goes for.
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shotgunjoel
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That is highly unlikely as this rifle is dated 1915, and the Russian contract was suspended in 1917. Within those 2 years I'd expect that the rifle got shipped to Russia.
Sam1911
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Below the "Reply To Thread" window is the "Additional Options" box. In that area look for a "Manage Attachments" button. That will let you post pictures you have stored on your computer.
Which it looks like you've already done in several posts -- so I'm confused about your question!
Sam1911
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Yes, looks like the consensus is somewhere around $100-$200.
In practical terms it is worth whatever you can get someone else to pay for it
)) but at least you now know about how much to ask.
In practical terms it is worth whatever you can get someone else to pay for it
)) but at least you now know about how much to ask.
GunnyUSMC
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It would be hard to say what your rifle is worth. You have what looks like a New England Westinghouse M91. All N.E.W.s were dated 1915, marked 1915r. The r stands for year. The barrel shank should look like this.
One that is all original and in good shape will bring top dollar. The ones that are all original never left the US and are still hard to find.
Here are a few of the M91s in my collection. I have added a few more since this pic was taken. The rifles cost me from $75 to $200.
The 4th rifle in the pic is an all original US property marked N.E.W M91.
From top to bottom:
#1 New England Westinghouse, SCW, dice mark.
#2 New England Westinghouse, Finn marked.
#3 New England Westinghouse, Finn marked, SN# 1911A.
#4 New England Westinghouse, US Property marked.
#5 Remington 1916 Finn marked.
#6 1899 Tula Imperial 1st pattern. SCW.
#7 1916 Tula "Perter The Great" Imperial.
#8 1916 Sestorryetsk Imperial.
These days most M91s are going for $150 to $250.
Here are some pics of a Finn marked M91 that I picked up for $150
One that is all original and in good shape will bring top dollar. The ones that are all original never left the US and are still hard to find.
Here are a few of the M91s in my collection. I have added a few more since this pic was taken. The rifles cost me from $75 to $200.
The 4th rifle in the pic is an all original US property marked N.E.W M91.
From top to bottom:
#1 New England Westinghouse, SCW, dice mark.
#2 New England Westinghouse, Finn marked.
#3 New England Westinghouse, Finn marked, SN# 1911A.
#4 New England Westinghouse, US Property marked.
#5 Remington 1916 Finn marked.
#6 1899 Tula Imperial 1st pattern. SCW.
#7 1916 Tula "Perter The Great" Imperial.
#8 1916 Sestorryetsk Imperial.
These days most M91s are going for $150 to $250.
Here are some pics of a Finn marked M91 that I picked up for $150
Shadow 7D
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that is a Fin rifle, captured by Finland, nice
AethelstanAegen
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It looks like a lower case r kind of and as GunnyUSMC is short for the Russian word for year. It is a Cyrillic "g" as the Russian for year is god.
caribou
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New England Westinghouse and Remington ONLY made the full length M1891 MosinNagants, and never any Carbines.
There were so many Mosin Nagants stuck on our docks and in the where houses when Tzarist Russia defaulted on payments for the US contract rifles that the US govornment bought them to keep the two companys from taking a devastateing blow.
When America found itself woefully under armed for the entry to WW1 we adopted the Mosin Nagant as a training rifle and substitute standard rifle, Modle of 1916, the first 'M-16'
Bannermans bought a bunch after the war but they are notable , with distinct features. Those are worth between 100$ and 150$
Even if its accurate, a chopped rifle is worth 100$ at most.
The New England Westinghouse in USMC Gunny's pictures with the US Army Ordenace Eagle heads and Xnumbers is worth 500$ + the un U.S marked NEW's go for 250 + if in good shape and matching
I'm looking for one issed to the Alaska territorrial Guard ar the Alaska National Guard......theres some out there........
There were so many Mosin Nagants stuck on our docks and in the where houses when Tzarist Russia defaulted on payments for the US contract rifles that the US govornment bought them to keep the two companys from taking a devastateing blow.
When America found itself woefully under armed for the entry to WW1 we adopted the Mosin Nagant as a training rifle and substitute standard rifle, Modle of 1916, the first 'M-16'
Bannermans bought a bunch after the war but they are notable , with distinct features. Those are worth between 100$ and 150$
Even if its accurate, a chopped rifle is worth 100$ at most.
The New England Westinghouse in USMC Gunny's pictures with the US Army Ordenace Eagle heads and Xnumbers is worth 500$ + the un U.S marked NEW's go for 250 + if in good shape and matching
I'm looking for one issed to the Alaska territorrial Guard ar the Alaska National Guard......theres some out there........
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