1st AR purchase question

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I will keep this short. Lets not start brand bashing etc.

I am buying my 1st AR this week. I was originally going to wait for PSA black Friday, basically trying to keep the budget around $5-600.

Then I found this:

http://troydefense.com/portfolio/troy-bravo-rifles/

I probably wouldn't have added a quad rail simply for the cost, but for that price and you only had $600 to spend, what would you do?

If I went PSA, I think I could build one for $500 or less and have the $100 left for an optic or ammo.
 
Never had a Troy but haven't heard anything negative about them either. Do have a PSA and it runs and shoots fine. I don't think either will do you wrong. The quad rail is nice if you want to mount a vertical foregrip / laser / light / cup-holder.
 
I would jump on the Troy!
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Absolutely!

I think PSA offers an amazing value, but this offering from Troy is even better. You would not be able to build a comparable PSA (or any other brand) for the same money. That rail alone goes for almost $200, and if you decided you want a different handguard, you could remove it and sell, probably still come out ahead if you went with something like the UTG Pro super slim 15" (which I personally like better than any quad)
 
I'd get the 14.5 inch barrel. Either way the flash hider is pinned and welded so it defeats the purpose of going 16 inch.
 
I hate quad rails and would spend more just to avoid them, but thats a heck of a lot of rifle for that price.
 
Not a fan of quad rails, heavy and bulky. Not saving as much as you think considering you then have to buy both a front and REAR sight. If you want to use the rifle with a sling (as you should) you will also need to buy a rail attachable sling swivel.

Not to mention, nothing beats a FSB for durability. I would either jump on the BCM upper special (get a free BCG + CH) or buy the PSA mid length CHF upper for ~ $300 and the BCG of your choice. I would then pair either with one of the PSA complete classic blem lowers when they go on sale (as they often do) for $150.
 
I will never purchase a single product from Troy. They've shown some incredible audacity when making business choices and when called on it they really don't seem to care.
 
Field Tester "I will never purchase a single product from Troy. They've shown some incredible audacity when making business choices and when called on it they really don't seem to care. "

Please re-read the first line of the OP.

I personally don't care about your thoughts on Troy's business ethics. If you care to share on their quality of products, I will listen.
 
Everybody's business ethics cross somebody's lines. Try to start a thread involving Walmart. Same problem.

A pinned flash hider and quad rail don't make the gun, but they could break the deal for some. Your call. Consider why any maker would be selling them for a bargain in today's market. It's the only way they can, there isn't much market. So, why do buyers shy away from a short barreled rifle with a pinned flash hider to make it legal, that has a quad handguard with 4 feet of rail?

The handguard is heavy, needs even more weight in terms of protectors for the users hands, and because of that is going out of style. M4geries are passing, everybody is now going with slick tubes.

Pinned barrels? Same - .300 BO is selling, short barrels are selling, barrels with pinned flashhiders you can't change are not selling. People want the flashhider of their choice, not accounting/marketing who need to dump what they have too many of. And once they are pinned, it's too expensive to undo at the factory. Market projections about sales went sour and now these dogs need to move for cash flow.

Get what you want from PSA, get it right the first time, and pay less - or accept something almost right, accept the costs to fix it, and then lose the money on whatever parts are left over because they are now used.

If that Troy isn't absolutely perfect as is, then it's not the best choice.
 
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Field Tester "I will never purchase a single product from Troy. They've shown some incredible audacity when making business choices and when called on it they really don't seem to care. "

Please re-read the first line of the OP.

I personally don't care about your thoughts on Troy's business ethics. If you care to share on their quality of products, I will listen.
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You may well not give a damn about their business practices, but I do. There may be a new shooter unaware of how despicable of a company they are, so I'm going to post whatever I feel like the public should know for an informed opinion. If you don't like it, gloss over my comments.
 
You may well not give a damn about their business practices, but I do. There may be a new shooter unaware of how despicable of a company they are, so I'm going to post whatever I feel like the public should know for an informed opinion. If you don't like it, gloss over my comments.
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Please share your opinions and why you feel that way? If it is important enough for you to make the statement then it should have been important enough for you to state why you have that opinion.
 
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You may well not give a damn about their business practices, but I do. There may be a new shooter unaware of how despicable of a company they are, so I'm going to post whatever I feel like the public should know for an informed opinion. If you don't like it, gloss over my comments.
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I'm interested in what your thoughts are on their business practices . You can pm me if you would... Was considering one of theirs but don't know anything about them.
 
I'm a huge fan of PSA and have given them $1000's of my money and built far more than I could buying from ANYONE else. Everything from mags to sights to parts. I especially love that in recent months my last few orders have been shipped in a day or two and not wha tused to be the standard 2-3 weeks+. While I have NEVER shot a Troy and I may have never even handled one I have heard nothing but good things about them. For that price I thoink your "resale or trade value" might be much higher and worth the extra $100 investment. Not that you are buying to resell but you never know AND that goes even if you decide to part out the rails or sights or upper, etc. Having the Troy name would likely bring a higher yield.

I would say you can't go wrong either way but this seems to be a more favorable deal to do the Troy.
 
Please share your opinions and why you feel that way? If it is important enough for you to make the statement then it should have been important enough for you to state why you have that opinion.
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They hired one of the HRT guys that was at Ruby Ridge to be an instructor. Apparently the agent was on record as saying he would have taken the shot that killed Mrs. Weaver if it had been his. Google will find all the sordid details if you want to look.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Troy says flat out on their FB page that those are contract overrun lowers combined with extra stock they can't sell. They're trying to dump stuff that no one's buying.

That doesn't mean it's bad per se, but it's not that popular. Tirod hit the nail on the head. Most folks don't like a pinned flash hider, cause it's a pain, and most folks are migrating away from long quad rails, because they are heavy and a pain.

Depending on your use, that might still be a nice rifle, and if you want that style, it's a lot of rifle for the money. But if you see yourself changing very much at all, then it'll become a money pit fast. Just so you know those rail's use a proprietary barrel nut, so you can't change the rail, because you can't get that nut off, because the flash hider is pinned. So you really need to like THAT setup for it to make sense.

ETA: Oops. My bad, the bravo rail uses a stock nut, so you can swap the rail for some others. But you still aren't taking the nut off without removing the flash hider, so your options are limited.
 
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I have not ever owned any troy products, but from my research while building my own AR, the TROY AR's seemed a reliable weapon with a lot of positive feedback. The TROY products were typically out of my price range. I have a PSA upper on my AR and it functions fine. I must add though I just only recently fired the weapon for the first time, so I have only 200 rounds through it. I say go for it, seems like a great deal for a reliable weapon. However, keep in mind what dogmush said. The beauty of the AR is the ability for the owner to change/modify the weapon to fit his/her needs. You may not have the flexibility others have with the TROY if it uses proprietary parts. Do some research.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.
 
You're supposed to cover the unused bottom and lower cheese graters! LOLz, that would hurt to shoot that way.

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You have to have the flash hider permanently attached if you want a 14.5" rifle. Otherwise you have to get an SBR permit. (or a pistol lower)
Like others said. If the Troy has what you want, get it. Swapping the flash hider isn't too bad if it's just a pin and a tack weld. But it's still a pain. But don't expect warranty work. They'll be out of biz soon.
 
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I will never buy a Troy product. I wont rehash why.

Troy quad rails are heavy and wide. Most ARs dont need quad rails. I have one on my MK18 clone, but otherwise wouldnt want a quad rail.

Windham Weaponry, S&W and a few more can be found at competitive prices.
 
funny how quickly AR fashions go in and out. Quad rails used to be all the rage, now they're so passe'

I actually like how they look.
 
I personally don't care about your thoughts on Troy's business ethics. If you care to share on their quality of products, I will listen.
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Please read the article linked in post #15. Troy gave gun owners the middle finger and offered excuses rather than an apology when they were called on it. Do what you want, but Troy will never see another penny of my money. I'll buy from companies like MagPul who stand up for individual gun rights.
 
Update. ..I went psa.

I've read the articles and I have an opinion. It just won't get discussed. I don't talk politics or religion and that topic falls in to that category.
I was purely trying to keep the political crap out of the thread and the topic to be quality of said rifles.
 
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