.22 Hornet or .223

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The .204 is, arguably, the fastest commercial round you can get at over 4000 fps with a 32 grain round.

I had a .204 barrel on an Encore and they are a laser beam out to 300 yards.

But for the cheapest ammo, .223 has everything beat hand down. If you reload they are nearly identical to .223 for cost.

Or, get a Contender/Encore with a .223 barrel and a .204 barrel:D
 
The Hornet was adopted by Winchester around 1930, but was soon surpassed by other .22 centerfires, but it has seen occasional times of modest popularity. The general pattern is a new generation of shooters are intrigued by the idea behind the Hornet -- a little case, a little bit of powder, and a fairly mild report with very low recoil. But then reality sets in, the Hornet just isn't that accurate because of it's tapered shape and "generous" chamber dimensions.

I admit to falling prey to the lure of the Hornet -- my Hornet is a Kimber M82, and I've had it for many years. Here in the Ozarks, it makes a fine crow and coyote rifle. Sharp-eyed people may note that Arkansas game laws specify "nothing larger than .22 rimfire" for crows. But there is an exception -- during coyote season. Coyote season runs from the First of July through the 28th of February, then starts again about a week or so later with the opening of Spring turkey season, and runs through the 13th of June. In other words, it's pert' near always coyote season in Arkansas, and you can use the Hornet on crows to your heart's content.

My M82 is a beautiful little rifle, but it just wasn't all that accurate. To me, the Hornet is like a red-headed woman -- alluring, frustrating, attractive and capricious. Being a rather stubborn type, I set out to master the Hornet, and eventually developed a load that will regularly shoot sub-inch groups at 100 yards. Here is the secret to the Hornet.

1. Fire form your brass. The case is a sloppy fit in the chamber, but once fired in your rifle, it is a perfect fit -- in your chamber.

2. Disturb the brass as little as possible. The standard reloading die puts a lot of stress on a case, and Hornet brass is thin. We have to remember that when neck resizing, all the force is transmitted from the head to the neck through the walls of the case. I use a Lee Collet Die, where the only stress is radial.

3. Don't resize the whole neck. The Lee Collet Die is designed to size the whole neck and activates when the base of the collet tube contacts the shell holder. You can't adjust it by screwing it in or out. I put a couple of washers on the shell holder, around the case. The collet tube contacts the washers and activates early. You can look at my neck-sized cases and see a line around the neck, about half way between mouth and shoulder. The unsized portion of the neck acts as a pilot, centering the neck in the chamber.

4. Use Hodgdon’s Li’l Gun – it develops lower pressures than other powders, but with its prolonged peak, it produces high velocities. Typically, a case full of Li'l Gun will develop about 28,000 CUP, and the Hornet's max is 40,000 CUP. I don't weigh my charges, I use the case itself as a dipper. I fill the case and strike it off (draw a straight edge across the case mouth to brush off any excess powder) then tap the case lightly to settle the powder a fraction of an inch. This load breaks 3,000 fps over my Shooting Chrony.

5. Use the right bullet. No rifle will shoot more accurately than the bullets it is fed. I use the 35 grain Hornady V-Max. It shoots accurately, and is deadly on everything from crows to coyotes. But it has one even more important characteristic. Hornets usually shoot best when the bullet is loaded close to the origin of the rifling. This usually results in an overall cartridge length that won't feed through the magazine. V-Max bullets in .22 caliber all have about the same shank length -- the weight differences comes in the length of the nose. The 35 grain looks like it started out to be a round-nose bullet, and changed its mind at the last minute. You can load the 35 grain V-Max out to where the shoulder of the bullet actually touches the origin of the rifling, and still have an OAL that will feed through the magazine.
 
Am I overlooking something? ... yes, the 221 Fireball.

If you are serious about reloading give a serious look to the 221 Fireball. The 222 Rem was the parent case for both. The Fireball is a shortened 223 and a very robust case. It is right on the heels of the 223 with some of the newer powders. I make my own brass from 223 cases. My gun is a Rem 700 that started life as a Light Varmint Stainless Fluted. Got rid of the tuperware stock in favor of a thumbhole laminate. Very accurate gun. A buddy of mine picked up a CZ 527 in 221 Fireball and loves it. The CZ comes with the single set trigger too.

Here are some 22 cal cartridges.

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22 Hornet, 218 Bee, 221 Fireball, 222 Rem, 223 Rem, 222 Rem Mag, 22-250
 
I've got a Ruger 77/22 Hornet, an AR .223, a CZ in .204, and a Rem 700 in 22-250. I just took my Hornet out for the first time today. Cute little thing. I'm using the 35 gr V-Max over H-110. Quieter than the .223 and WAY quieter than the 22-250.

FWIW...the Hornet gets maybe 75% of the velocity of the 22-250 and 80% of the .223 with less than 1/3rd of the powder. You'll get almost 600 rounds out of 1# of H-110. Loaded rounds will be maybe 15 cents each.

I got it in a swap and thought I wanted to sell it. Think maybe I'll hang onto it now after shooting it.
 
I was in your shoes about this time last year. I looked at all of the calibers mentioned. Every single one of them has its pros and cons, and they'd all be great. If you even think you could possibly want an AR in the future, kill two birds with one stone and buy an AR in 5.56/223. You mentioned the word "economical". I can buy brass ammo for it at 5.99 a box of 20. The reloads I've made for it are listed in my reloading manual as starting loads, and aren't much louder than 22 hornet. I'd also recommend watching a few youtube videos buying a kit, and then building your own AR. Far cheaper, and once you see how easy it is you'll be amazed.
 
One thing I forgot to put in my post. I'm going coyote calling tomorrow. Gonna take the AR in .223. I took it on a PD hunt this past fall. With the right hand loads we were shooting at 500 yards+. Anything less than 300 was pretty easy.

As noted above, you can buy the parts and build one. Might want to get a complete upper, but the lower is a breeze. You can save $100 by doing that and have a really nice rifle.

Mine is the most accurate rifle I've ever shot.
 
An adder to my picture post. If you go the AR route with your gun selection it is a no brainer, 223 is the only practical choice. A bolt gun leaves all the options open.
 
Caliber dilemma

I just signed up for THR so let me take a stab at this issue. I own .243, .223, .204, and .17 HMR. And I have shot .22 Hornet and 22-250. All of them will kill coyotes except the .17 HMR; actually it will kill one if you hit exactly the right spot like in the throat, which I did when hunting squirrels and shot him at about 35 yards. If you are concerned about noise, the 22-250 is very loud, but you can whack targets out to 300+ yards...ammo is expensive. The .223 offers a huge variety of models and the ammo selection is equally large. My reloads permit up to 3600 FPS will really lay out a coyote. The .22 mag is OK at shorter ranges, but not a great coyote round. The .22 Hornet is ideal for short ranges, low noise and still offers good killing power, but ammo is hard to find...really should load your own. The .204 is lightening fast and I have shot 3 coyotes with mine. It is a little loud and ammo is not cheap...about $1 per round...I load mine for about $.30. I agree with he who said buy both rifle....or all 3 or 4 or 5. You will never make the perfect decision because it does not exist. Have fun!!
 
You will never make the perfect decision because it does not exist.

Not true: the perfect decision is being happy with the choice you make.....until "an expert" on a web site explains in detail how badly you screwed up...... :cuss:
 
The nice thing about firearms in general, if you don't like the choice you made, but you've taken care of it, you can turn around and sell it without loosing your hat.
 
If you don't already have a .223, then I'd say get that since you will eventually wind up with one anyway. If you want something in between a .22 WMRF and a .223, I'd look very hard at the new .17 Hornet.
 
The Hornet may be a better choice, if:

-Ranges will be under 300 yards
-You reload

It is plenty of cartridge for varminting out to 300 yards, and is very efficient, so quite a bit cheaper to reload than .223. It's also no where near as loud.

However, if you expect ranges to exceed 300 yards or if you're stuck buying factory ammo, the .223 has obvious advantages.

That said..........

If you're expecting ranges over 400 yards, you should step up to the .22-250.

If 500+ yards, .220 Swift, .243 Win or 6mm Rem.
 
You must like hand-loading to make the 22 Hornet worthwhile.
I am more of an experimental hand-loader these days so I like the Hornet.
But I also fly a plane built in 1946...

But beware that some 22 Hornet rifles are hit and miss with accuracy. And some even like a different diameter bullet.... So if you like spending lots of time at the loading table and playing around with week-end gunsmithing... the Hornet may be up your alley.

But for volume shooting at affordable prices... it is hard to beat the .223
Plus you are very likely to find an accurate 223 rifle right out of the box.
 
I can load a .223 to Hornet velocities, but no one can load their Hornet to full power .223 velocities.

Lots of guys go to the "K" Hornet because of the std. Hornets weak necks, the .223 doesn't have that problem either.

DM
 
What DM and others said. You can always load down the 223 to Hornet velocities...or even 22LR.

M
 
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Just to make things a bit more complex...

.17 Hornet

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Hornaday has a hit with .17HMR, but for your purposes it might be a bit light. Their new offering is based on the hornet with a smaller bullet, over 3600 fps, will make this a true successor to the venerable 22. Hornet.

The only question is what will all this goodness cost WHEN it arrives.


More info...http://www.hornady.com/store/Superformance-Varmint-NewAmmo

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What i did, LR for up to rabbit, Hornet for marmots up to foxes and a .222 for yotes. With those, i got all i need. Cheers.
 
Realistically a .223 is a more functional option. You can download it and run full loads. Brass is everywhere and while the same diameter bullets are used there are more bullet weight options that can be used with a 1:8" or 1:7" twist .223. That said, if you think a hornet may be the round you want go with it. Brass does exist. With a quick trip to a decent gunsmith you can have it turned into a k hornet and avoid the few questionable complaints about loading. It is quieter, even with reduced .223 loads. The hornet is very efficient. If you like the idea of a small and extremely efficient round the hornet a hit.

I guess it comes down to what you want. I've had a handful of different .223s and honestly the more time goes on the more I look for a smaller case and the hornet as well as bee and fireball look great. I have lots of access to a 100 yard range and all of those listed do fine at paper punching at that distance. For that reason I've bailed from multiple .223 rifles. If I get membership to another local range where there are benches out to 600 yards I'm sure I'll look at faster .22 caliber options with very fast twists. Until then I'll stick with the smaller guys.
 
22 hornet vs 223

I can`t amagine not having both and these are 2 of the rifles I shoot the most. But a 22 hornet is not general purpose rifle. Its not your 1st rifle the 223 fills that slot better. Much easier to find ammo or reloading componets for and cheaper. Yes the 223 is louder but the 223 is a 300 to 400 yrd rifle for up to coyote sized animals. The 22 hornet is pushing it for 200 to 250yd shots. In bolt guns CZ and Savage are my picks. If you go the AR route get a good brand and at least a 20 inch barrel and the 223 is the ticket, I think. Also buy a good scope and mount it as low as you can use it. Also the CZ & Savage have really great triggers. Good luck with your choice. ken
 
I've never regretted going with a 223. The sheer volume of available firearms in 223 gives you many options to choose from. I shoot it in guns ranging from a 14" TC Contender up to a 26" Varmint rig. The availability of brass/bullets and all other components can be found anywhere where such is sold. If you ever want to move it a 223 is one of the easiest to sell/trade.
 
I can certainly understand why folks like the .22 Hornet but I like commonality of ammo so I opted for .22WMR and .223 Remington (Wylde chamber).

Regarding just rifles, in my area, add a .22LR and a .308 Win and that's all I'm likely to ever need.
 
Since I reload, I went with the .22 K-Hornet. Brass came from factory Remington ammo that was shot and fired formed in the chamber. I like the K-Hornet because it has the advantages of the .22 Hornet without the disadvantages of the old Hornet case. The K-Hornet neck alone is worth the upgrade. My barrel is for handgun-length (13") Contender and accuracy has been superb when I do my part. The K-Hornet is economical to shoot as the case life has been exceptional.

Of course I also went with the .218 Mashburn Bee in another Contender 24-inch rifle barrel, meaning I am a sucker for the old varmint cartridges. If .22 Hornet is hard to find, .218 Bee brass is unobtanium. I usually keep an eye on MidwayUSA for the brass as Winchester runs it occasionally.
 
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