Last summer I saw them at a sports store in Door County Wisconsin for $25...ouch, but they were CCI Short Copper Plated Hollow Point 27gr 1105 FPS . In April I saw them at the Tulsa Gun Show for $15...ouch again. CCI also makes CB Shorts (conical ball) 29gr 710 FPS, which I bought for $10 at Cabela's awhile back. All of these listed are 100 round boxes. The CB Shorts are my favorite for backdoor rabbit elimination out of my wife's flower garden. The regular shorts we used 50 years ago to whack rabbits in brush piles for food are similar to the 1105 fps listed above, but were round nose, not hollow points. There used to be a round referred to as "CB caps", similar to a CB Shorts, but shorter, rounder and slower....but would still kill starlings off of my finch feeder.