222 Remington Magnum
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Buy some decent glass for it.
R.W.Dale
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NO .222 Rem Mag is a good deal longer than STD 222. A normal .222 fired in the magnum chamber would be almost a certian case head separation. These days 222 magnum is borderline obsolete. As far as I know no ammo MFG loads this round
Don't let the magnum in the name fool ya. This cartridge is magnum in name only and offers virtually NO advantage ballistically over .223
R.W.Dale
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Thanks Steve!
I am in France... where a .223 is a category 1 weapon i.e. a 1 year application process at the very least.... while the 222 Magnum is pretty much walk in Show you license and ID... sign a piece of paper and walk out.
Also Ammo costs a hell of a lot more than the US. Case Point... a .308 Win Mag cartridge is almost $3 a pop, 222 Win Mag is $1.31 a pop...
Only affoardable calibers are .22 LR or 12 Ga.
Weapons where ammo is relatively cheap cost a whole lot more than the US.
For example I paid over $500 USD for a CZ 452 in .22 LR. Forget that my black powder Colt Walker set me back close to $650 USD
.22 LR ammo retails for about $7 for 50 rounds of CCI Standard...
Also Ammo costs a hell of a lot more than the US. Case Point... a .308 Win Mag cartridge is almost $3 a pop, 222 Win Mag is $1.31 a pop...
Only affoardable calibers are .22 LR or 12 Ga.
Weapons where ammo is relatively cheap cost a whole lot more than the US.
For example I paid over $500 USD for a CZ 452 in .22 LR. Forget that my black powder Colt Walker set me back close to $650 USD
.22 LR ammo retails for about $7 for 50 rounds of CCI Standard...
R.W.Dale
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I understand the need now that you mention where you're located. But where do you get .222 Rem mag ammo. Is there some European manufactured ammo avalible? I suppose due to legal reasons previously stated that this round may enjoy a certain degree of popularity in your neck of the woods.
Sako manufactures ammo for the caliber. Not cheap... but it is available..
The gun comes with 300 rounds, and I plan to order another 1000 and then learn to reload.
Given that the ammo is 1.3 USD a round, and the gun is priced at 750 since it is used... it might be a good platform to get distance shooting.
The gun comes with 300 rounds, and I plan to order another 1000 and then learn to reload.
Given that the ammo is 1.3 USD a round, and the gun is priced at 750 since it is used... it might be a good platform to get distance shooting.
rangerruck
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check Lapua for that ammo and also S&b, I thiink they make it, over there. By the way, that should be a very accurate round for you. Either the 222 or the 222 mag, held the benchrest record over here for about 50 years.
Remington still produces .222 Remington Magnum in limited runs.
They normally produce this and other 'oddball' calibers about this time of year.
Have your dealer check with Jerry's Sport Center or Simmons to see about availability and don't be too terribly suprised if they don't have any in stock.
Those guys list everything in the gun world and never seem to have anything needed when it is needed.
Huntington Reloading Supply is a great source for brass and loading dies if you can't find them locally and yes, .222 Rem Mag is a relaoding proposition because cheap loaded cartridges are something I doubt you are going to find.
http://www.huntingtons.com
They normally produce this and other 'oddball' calibers about this time of year.
Have your dealer check with Jerry's Sport Center or Simmons to see about availability and don't be too terribly suprised if they don't have any in stock.
Those guys list everything in the gun world and never seem to have anything needed when it is needed.
Huntington Reloading Supply is a great source for brass and loading dies if you can't find them locally and yes, .222 Rem Mag is a relaoding proposition because cheap loaded cartridges are something I doubt you are going to find.
http://www.huntingtons.com
hagar
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Isn't the 204 Ruger just a necked down 222 magnum? If so, brass will be freely available for years to come.
cmidkiff
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I think the .204 is necked down and has had the shoulder blown forward... at least that's what I've read. I'm reloading for .204, but I've never attempted to make my own brass from .222 mag. That is the base cartridge, though.
Hope you like your .222 mag, it's a great cartridge, should do well for you at 100-200 yards.
Hope you like your .222 mag, it's a great cartridge, should do well for you at 100-200 yards.
Kimber1911_06238
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$3 a pop for .308? I'd be broke if i lived in France
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Also is the ammunition interchangeable with 222 Remington?"
NO. This is NOT like the straight cased pistol ammo (.38 vs .357 mag). As stated above, trying to fire .222 Rem in .222 Rem Mag chamber would cause bad things to happen. I owned both and like both but you must use the correct ammunition in your gun. Can you reload? Both cartridges reload easily.
Good shooting and be safe.
LB
Also is the ammunition interchangeable with 222 Remington?"
NO. This is NOT like the straight cased pistol ammo (.38 vs .357 mag). As stated above, trying to fire .222 Rem in .222 Rem Mag chamber would cause bad things to happen. I owned both and like both but you must use the correct ammunition in your gun. Can you reload? Both cartridges reload easily.
Good shooting and be safe.
LB
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Once You get pass the brass situation.....
I think you'll enjoy it. If I can remember correctly Jack O'Conner wrote in one of his books something like " If you fed everything into a computer for the ideal varmint cartridge you would come out with the .222 Magnum " Someone may be able to come out with the exact quote. Essex
I think you'll enjoy it. If I can remember correctly Jack O'Conner wrote in one of his books something like " If you fed everything into a computer for the ideal varmint cartridge you would come out with the .222 Magnum " Someone may be able to come out with the exact quote. Essex
Jim Watson
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Not exactly, some reforming other than just necking up would be required. There was a thread on another board about just necking the .204 up to .224 to get .222 Magnum performance without the trouble of making it into a real Magnum case.
.222 Rem Mag
Is a fine sporting round for varmints, and would serve well at the target ranges. Sadly, the round was doomed by the US military when they adopted the .223 (5.56mm).
The original AR rifles tested were in .222 Remington, and the military decided on an energy requirement at 600 yards that the .222 just could not meet. Remington introduced the .222 Rem Mag in 1958, and it would have met the military requirement, but was not the round chosen. The 5.56mm round was adopted for the M16 rifle (it was a military developement), and later released to the public as the .223 Remington. The .222 Rem Mag will deliver about 100fps more than the .223 with top handloads. IMR 3031 is a good powder for this cartridge.
The .223 has become the popular round, and the .222 Rem Mag is fading away (in the US), due to the availability of surplus .223 ammo and brass, along with military style rifles. The original .222 Remington is also in decline, but still has a small following, as it is an excellent and accurate round for sporting use.
The .222 Rem, .222 Rem Mag, and .223 Rem are NOT interchangable. Do not use .222 or .223 ammo in your .222 Rem Mag rifle, cases will split due to excess headspace. This is a dangerous situation.
In your situation, and with prices the way you describe, I would strongly recommend you take up handloading. Midway has Remington brass in .222 Rem Mag for $237.99(US) per 1,000m plus shipping. Currently available, you can order online.
Is a fine sporting round for varmints, and would serve well at the target ranges. Sadly, the round was doomed by the US military when they adopted the .223 (5.56mm).
The original AR rifles tested were in .222 Remington, and the military decided on an energy requirement at 600 yards that the .222 just could not meet. Remington introduced the .222 Rem Mag in 1958, and it would have met the military requirement, but was not the round chosen. The 5.56mm round was adopted for the M16 rifle (it was a military developement), and later released to the public as the .223 Remington. The .222 Rem Mag will deliver about 100fps more than the .223 with top handloads. IMR 3031 is a good powder for this cartridge.
The .223 has become the popular round, and the .222 Rem Mag is fading away (in the US), due to the availability of surplus .223 ammo and brass, along with military style rifles. The original .222 Remington is also in decline, but still has a small following, as it is an excellent and accurate round for sporting use.
The .222 Rem, .222 Rem Mag, and .223 Rem are NOT interchangable. Do not use .222 or .223 ammo in your .222 Rem Mag rifle, cases will split due to excess headspace. This is a dangerous situation.
In your situation, and with prices the way you describe, I would strongly recommend you take up handloading. Midway has Remington brass in .222 Rem Mag for $237.99(US) per 1,000m plus shipping. Currently available, you can order online.
I have gotten a good deal on the 222 Rem magnum cartridges @ 30% off the normal price on a lot of 1000 so have ordered those.
But yes I do need to get into handloading especially since i have a 8x64 Mauser conversion on the way and do desperately want a 300 WSM or 308 in the near future.
However I know absolutely nothing about reloading... and need to learn.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated to say the very least.
But yes I do need to get into handloading especially since i have a 8x64 Mauser conversion on the way and do desperately want a 300 WSM or 308 in the near future.
However I know absolutely nothing about reloading... and need to learn.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated to say the very least.
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