Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Don't new Rems now come with 1 in 9" also? That was my understanding....
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Tarvis
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You can build an AR for around $600, possibly less. My first build cost $665 which had $40 in upgrades and a more expensive barrel configuration. $435 for a kit and $115 for a lower is not too hard to find.
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Cougfan2
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Depending on what you intend to use the rifle for, if you are working with a limited budget, I would opt for one of the more inexpensive rifles, like one of the lower end Savages with the Accutrigger, and plan to spend more money on a good scope, rings, and bases.
Particulary for long range or varmint work, ponying up for a good scope will pay you dividends. Nikon, Burris, and Leupold would all be good choices. If you are really on a budget and want to spend less on a scope, the Simmons Aetecs are really good inexpensive scopes for the money. I have 3 of them and they are great.
Particulary for long range or varmint work, ponying up for a good scope will pay you dividends. Nikon, Burris, and Leupold would all be good choices. If you are really on a budget and want to spend less on a scope, the Simmons Aetecs are really good inexpensive scopes for the money. I have 3 of them and they are great.
I held an H&R heavy-barreled break-action, and I loved it! They are known to be surprisingly accurate, and for what you'll be using it for-non-competition target shooting, and occasional varmy hunting, it'll probably work well for you. I would like to get one in .243, though, so I can use it on a wider variety of prey. I've heard good things about the Stevens as well, and the police version of the Savage 10FP can be had for about $550. But then, you've got less money for a scope, etc.
If you're not sure what twist is, I'd suggest:
1. Hold off getting anything and do more general shooting research.
2. Or, just set a price point and decide bolt or semi and buy a Remmy 700 or AR or some sort.
ETA Either will make a fine "fun gun." Meeting up with a local at a range for some show and tell wouldn't hurt either.
1. Hold off getting anything and do more general shooting research.
2. Or, just set a price point and decide bolt or semi and buy a Remmy 700 or AR or some sort.
ETA Either will make a fine "fun gun." Meeting up with a local at a range for some show and tell wouldn't hurt either.
I know what twist is, I just wasnt sure if i was getting the numbers right like, 1 spin in every 9 inches is 1/9"
I don't think that should stop me from buying a new rifle now since I know what the twists are for, the higher the twist rate the heavier the bullet.
Right?
I don't think that should stop me from buying a new rifle now since I know what the twists are for, the higher the twist rate the heavier the bullet.
Right?
ChristopherG
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Right.
Savage Shooter
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If your lookin for a good target rifle get a savage 12fv .223 I have one and love it. I like shootin the heavyer bullets so i love the 1-9 twist It won't break the bank and leaves plenty of cash for some good glass.
1911 guy
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For anything around 250 yards or less, I'd feel completely fine with a 45gr bullet in a 1:12 twist. The advantage of heavier bullets is retaining momentum and velocity (laymans terms, I'm a machinist, not a physicist) at longer ranges. If you're sure you'll have no desire to make it a 400 yard rifle, go with whatever trips your trigger. If you might want to stretch it out later, go with a faster twist.
The lighter bullets are still very effective at looong yardages, but the drop makes it hard to put them on target
The lighter bullets are still very effective at looong yardages, but the drop makes it hard to put them on target
Harley Quinn
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Target rifles are easy on brass and most will save it if they reload. The semi's will throw it all over and ding it up some, depending on factors.
Your call.
Are you going a Bolt action? Seems the drift I see. Stay with your first thought .223 IMHO The others are heavier bullets and more money to shoot take longer to get back on target. If you are thinking hunting, go for a 1-9 twist.
Regards.
Your call.
Are you going a Bolt action? Seems the drift I see. Stay with your first thought .223 IMHO The others are heavier bullets and more money to shoot take longer to get back on target. If you are thinking hunting, go for a 1-9 twist.
Regards.
Anthony C
You can't go wrong with a Savage. If you have to buy ammo, Black Hills is a good way to go. I have seven Savage model 12s, 5 BVSS's and 2 VLP's. ALL OF THEM will put 5 shots into 1/2" or less at 100 yards. My 204 is the most accurate but my 2, 223s aren't off by much. I don't like the tupperware stocked models. Cabels has some sporter models with laminated wood stocks that looked pretty nice.
You can't go wrong with a Savage. If you have to buy ammo, Black Hills is a good way to go. I have seven Savage model 12s, 5 BVSS's and 2 VLP's. ALL OF THEM will put 5 shots into 1/2" or less at 100 yards. My 204 is the most accurate but my 2, 223s aren't off by much. I don't like the tupperware stocked models. Cabels has some sporter models with laminated wood stocks that looked pretty nice.
JohnMc
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AnthonyC,
You've already decided what to spend, so now the other decisions.
If you want only to hit paper targets and little varmints, then light bullets will work for you. They generally go faster, which means a flatter trajectory.
For whatever it's worth, .224 bullets (the ones for .223 Rem) are available in 36 grain weight up to 90 grains. I'd use the light ones for woodchucks, gophers, prairie dogs, etc. I'd feel OK using the heavy ones, say 70 grains and up, for deer.
By deciding bullet weight, that will help you decide on the matching twist rate (read this) for the barrel.
Alternatively, buy the gun and match the bullet weights to it. Keep in mind that the twist for heavier bullets will stabilize lighter ones, but maybe not as well
For the amount you've decided to spend, an AR-15 in that price point will be fun and almost certainly more accurate than a Mini14. However, it probably won't be as accurate as the bolt actions folks have suggested. Plus, you can get some decent optics for one of the bolt actions, have a darn nice target/varmint rifle and stay within your price.
I've shot the Tikka T3, Savage, and Cz527 in .223. All are very nice indeed. This Rock River is super nice, but above your price point.
At any rate, they're all still better than no .223 rifle at all.
Cheers,
John
You've already decided what to spend, so now the other decisions.
If you want only to hit paper targets and little varmints, then light bullets will work for you. They generally go faster, which means a flatter trajectory.
For whatever it's worth, .224 bullets (the ones for .223 Rem) are available in 36 grain weight up to 90 grains. I'd use the light ones for woodchucks, gophers, prairie dogs, etc. I'd feel OK using the heavy ones, say 70 grains and up, for deer.
By deciding bullet weight, that will help you decide on the matching twist rate (read this) for the barrel.
Alternatively, buy the gun and match the bullet weights to it. Keep in mind that the twist for heavier bullets will stabilize lighter ones, but maybe not as well
For the amount you've decided to spend, an AR-15 in that price point will be fun and almost certainly more accurate than a Mini14. However, it probably won't be as accurate as the bolt actions folks have suggested. Plus, you can get some decent optics for one of the bolt actions, have a darn nice target/varmint rifle and stay within your price.
I've shot the Tikka T3, Savage, and Cz527 in .223. All are very nice indeed. This Rock River is super nice, but above your price point.
At any rate, they're all still better than no .223 rifle at all.
Cheers,
John
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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So what's it gonna be? 
I am not sure yet, I need to go handle the rifles some time, the closest place that has all of the rifles mentioned is GanderMtn and I don't think I would buy from there....I guess I could still go next weekend to handle the rifles.
It is looking like Tikka/Savage is on top right now, but Remington is not out yet.
It is looking like Tikka/Savage is on top right now, but Remington is not out yet.
MinnMooney
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You've started with a good choice - the Rem. SPS but the Savage is a very good rifle ,also, for less money and you save even more by not having to have the trigger worked on right away. Savage makes three totally separate and distinct Accu-Triggers. The hunting version is adjustable from 3 - 6 lbs and is very nice to shoot. The Predator version is adj from 1.5 - 6 lbs and the Target version is 6 ounces to 2.5 lbs.
These rifles are a joy to shoot (as is the SPS probably) and very accurate. As with any accurate rifle....... break it in properly.
These rifles are a joy to shoot (as is the SPS probably) and very accurate. As with any accurate rifle....... break it in properly.
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Tikka 3 ,worth every penny,I have the stainless lite,223,!-8 twist,
But you buy what You can afford,whats best for you.
Buy books and read up on all thats out thier,Look them all up in guns and ammo ,or shooting times.they have that on line,go to serch,and type in what your looking for,
But you buy what You can afford,whats best for you.
Buy books and read up on all thats out thier,Look them all up in guns and ammo ,or shooting times.they have that on line,go to serch,and type in what your looking for,
I'll chime in if I may.
My latest 223 purchase was a CZ American. The CZ's come with a 'target' that shows how it performed at 50 yards. When I purchased the CZ I had a choice between the Varmint model and the American model. The American had the tightst group so I bought it. Besides, the Varmint with the synthic stock felt too heavy and not balanced well.
The first week I started developing a load for it. The second week I had it nailed: 24.6 gains of Varget using 55 grain VMax, 0.015 off the lands = 0.25" at 100 yards. And this was only my second pass of development... ocw method, love it.
Yes, the twist is slow and wind will affect that round at longer ranges. But, you do get an EXCELLENT single set trigger. I haven't even thought of making any modifications to this rifle. I like the billet manufactured action, dropped forged barrel, mouser action / extractor. For my money, CZ gets it. It was made in Kansas Todo.
If CZ weren't around, I wouldn't consider anything below a Cooper-grade firearm. I'd even go so far as to say CZ is Cooper quality for a Remington price. I'll see how that holds water when my CZ 308 comes in, it's a Varmint BTW for HP Silhouette matches. I expect it to out-shoot the PSS I had.
223 is a great round. Remington, Savage, Rock River will all serve you well. There are really no loosers here. Grab one of these and dive in!
My latest 223 purchase was a CZ American. The CZ's come with a 'target' that shows how it performed at 50 yards. When I purchased the CZ I had a choice between the Varmint model and the American model. The American had the tightst group so I bought it. Besides, the Varmint with the synthic stock felt too heavy and not balanced well.
The first week I started developing a load for it. The second week I had it nailed: 24.6 gains of Varget using 55 grain VMax, 0.015 off the lands = 0.25" at 100 yards. And this was only my second pass of development... ocw method, love it.
Yes, the twist is slow and wind will affect that round at longer ranges. But, you do get an EXCELLENT single set trigger. I haven't even thought of making any modifications to this rifle. I like the billet manufactured action, dropped forged barrel, mouser action / extractor. For my money, CZ gets it. It was made in Kansas Todo.
If CZ weren't around, I wouldn't consider anything below a Cooper-grade firearm. I'd even go so far as to say CZ is Cooper quality for a Remington price. I'll see how that holds water when my CZ 308 comes in, it's a Varmint BTW for HP Silhouette matches. I expect it to out-shoot the PSS I had.
223 is a great round. Remington, Savage, Rock River will all serve you well. There are really no loosers here. Grab one of these and dive in!
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