2400 and primers

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i am loading for 357 158gr lswc, i use 2400 for powder but i have noticed some books say use mag primers and others say use normal small pistol
primers ? will it make that much difference ? I stay between 13.0 and
13.5 gr 2400.
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The new Alliant manual shows 14.8gr. max load for a 158gr. jacketed bullet, so you're well within range for a lead bullet of the same weight. There has been warnings against using magnum primers with 2400 powder ever since the brand name changed from Hecules to Alliant. Apparently, Alliant changed the 2400 burn rate and made it somewhat faster. They warn that adding a magnum primer can raise pressures as much as 5000psi. According to Alliant, it's not only dangerous but unnecessary to use a magnum primer with 2400 powder anymore.
I'd stick with a standard primer as recommended by Alliant.

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Elmer Keith never would use a magnum primer after they became available.
He got a lot of mileage out of the magnums and heavily loaded Specials with No 2400 of Hercules manufacture and standard primers.

You are down in the Keith-Skelton heavy .38 range and a change of primers will not blow up your gun.
Try both and see which actually shoots better.
 
I just loaded some 357 mag. with 13.5gr of 2400 and standard small pistol primers, they didn't shoot well at all.

They were irratic as hell, one shot with light recoil and next with heavy recoil.

I hand loaded these with a rcbs uni-flow powder measure and it was showing 1/10 gr accuracy on my beam scales, and checked repeatedly.

I was going to use magnum primers to see if this improves,Used brand new can of powder and this years primers.

Would "One Shot" shell lube cause irratic behavior? That's the only thing other than the primer that I could think of.

I have never had this problem before using the old 2400, but haven't used it for years until buying this bottle last week.

I am going to load some with magnum primers and try them next week. I won't be able to post any results until then.
 
The only issues I have found with changing primers and using 2400 was when going from CCI or Wolf to Winchester. I really haven't noted any issues with pressures as a whole so to speak, but the Winchester's do have a bit more punch to them, which required a bit more crimp to hold the lead in place just long enough to let the powder fully light up.

I have been playing with a few loads in my 45 Colt using 2400, and several weights of home cast. The lead is simply slicker so to speak and slips the crimp a bit easier than a jacketed.

As long as your not pushing the upper limits, which your not, you should be fine swapping around a bit. If you see that your getting more unburnt powder than you feel you should ease a bit more crimp on them and see if that helps.
 
I just loaded some 357 mag. with 13.5gr of 2400 and standard small pistol primers, they didn't shoot well at all.

They were irratic as hell, one shot with light recoil and next with heavy recoil.

That's odd. I've been using 2400 exclusively for magnum revolver ammunition since 1980...always with standard primers...and haven't had a single problem, even in the heaviest loads. Maybe your powder drop or your scale is cattywampus.
 
It is probably something I did. I am using Barry's plated bullets and winchester primers.
I may not have crimped them enough, there is no cannular on plated bullets so my next batch with be with jacketed bullets so I can crimp them right.
OP, make sure you use jacketed bullets, the more I think about what 41 mag said, I'll bet that is what happened to mine.
I only loaded 18 of them thankfully, I never had this happen to me with 2400 before but never used plated bullets until recently.

Hope this helps
 
I've used 2400 since the late 70's with Std primers with no issues what so ever. I always used a heavy crimp. The only time I used a Mag primer was with 296 and it is required with this slow burn powder. Use a heavy crimp and it should be fine. Now I must note this is on the old formula of 2400 not the newer on that's out.
 
I use 2400 in my 357 168 grain cast loads with Winchester SPP. I have excellent accuracy with this load. (13.2 gr.) I would check your scale with a known weight, something is not right.
 
I didn't mean to highjack the OP thread. My apologies to the op.
I believe neither the primers or the powder is at fault with my failure of this load.
Plated bullets don't have a canular so if I crimp it hard it could cut the plating in half and the plating could seperate in the barrel leaving a barrel obstruction.
This is what 41 mag meant by crimping it heavily enough to hold back the bullet to let the ignition build pressure to completely burn the load.
I know that is what I did wrong. In the past I always used Jacketed bullets where this heavier crimp posed no issues like it does with a copper plated bullet.
My scales are on, I should have looked up my notes from back then instead of relying on my memory from 1970.
 
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You can taper crimp them harder without hurting the plating. You could try that.

Deburring and chamfering the brass so it does not have a sharp 90 degree edge pushing into the bullet will help as well. This will help with either type crimp.
 
Plated bullets have there places , in 357 Magnum loads ain`t one of em !!!!

I`m sure most if not all plated bullet manufacturers say to not exceed 1,000-1,100 fps.

The reason for this is the coating is only .005-,007" thick & will start stripping off the bullet either at the forcing cone or rifling trying to get it spinning .

I pushed em (158gr HP)hard enuff to blow the cores out the nose of the bullet.
I feel the HP was punched thru the coating & gave the soft core a chance to slip under upper pressures.

I know I was doing summtin that the plated bullet was not supposed to do & this is not to bash any of the manufacturers of plated bullets !!

They just are`nt for me in my shooting situations ,but they do allow alot of people shooting capibilitys such as ranges that require coated or jacketed bullets & people that just do not want to handle lead boolits.

All of the above is my humble opinion & limited exp. with 158gr. HPs in a 357 mag. shot from a SS GP100 6" barrel never exceeded load recommends for jacketed bullets.

Now , off my soapbox .

If ya gonna use the plated bullets with a slow powder ya need to trim ya brass as close to each other as possible for a consistently controlable crimp .

As you`ve already exp. you can cut em very easily !!! & it takes a little work but ya can get a decent grip with out damageing the coating .

First thing taper crimping won`t work it resizes the entire soft bullet & actually loosens the coatings bond to the core.

I trimmed as closely as possible, deburr well , chamfer with a regular tool ,then chamfer with a VLD tool , this chamfering removes ane rite angels that come into contact & helps flat surface contact with a mild roll crimp.

BUTTT , I had as god results with no roll & slight taper crimp (to ensure chambering) & a load of IMR700x or CLAYS (a fast easily ignited powder).

As mentioned above the slow burners are very sensitive to crimp & pull.
 
I load Missouri Bullets 357 Action 158gr LSWC over 14.5gr of 2400 as my regular magnum load. I have used standard winchester, wolf, Tula, and CCI primers without any problems. No doubt in my mind that 2400 does not need a magnum primer, even in below freezing temps.
 
Now , off my soapbox
OK, me next.

Berrys says not to exceed 1200 FPS, and for the most part, I would agree. That is a good place to start taking a critical look at performance. Ranier says to use lead data, but they, and others, used to publish data that exceeded it. Several online PDF's now have some plated data. You do not need to limit them to lead data.

I shoot the 125 Gr Powerbond plated bullets at 1300 to 1400 FPS in .357 Mag with excellent results using a heavy taper crimp.
 
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