25 yard zero for a deer rifle.

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hey guys i am going hunting this weeekend with my new 30-30 and had no time to go to the range so i went to my backyard range that i have but it is only 25 yards my question is with a 25 yard zero will i be able to hit a deer poa or close to poa at 150 yards?? i am really new to balistics and that sort of thing so this is most likely a stupid question but thanks for lookin into it:)
 
Let me add to your grief..................Poor planning on your part.

If that`s all you can do. have at it or take a day during the season and do it right............
 
I'd rather spend 4hrs driving than 4hrs tracking. It part of hunting, and your rifle is not ready.
 
Find a ballistics calculator and plug in the numbers. While it will not be exact, it will probably get you in the ballpark. Too many variables such as scope height above bore, bullet weight, bullet coefficient, muzzle velocity, etc to give you an answer to your question as is. Without longer range sighting in, you are setting yourself up for missed or bad shots which lead to further complications. I personally would not hunt with it until I knew for sure.
 
Your question was NOT stupid. If you look at a trajectory chart, you will find the bullet crosses the line of sight twice. Once close to muzzle and again at a longer range. Your 30-30 will cross the first time at about 25 yards with a typical scope mounted in standard, as in low rings. Then crosses again at about 175 yards, dependent on initial muzzle velocity. If you are using iron sights, the first cross is at about 20 feet and the second is about 125 yards. If your hold at 25 yards was good, you will only be off maybe an inch on the side to side at 100 yards. That is minus wind drift, which only you at the time of the shot will know. My father sighted in his 38-55 at kitchen door to the woodshed every year, about 75 feet. Sometimes he would check by shooting at a "little rock" across the road to the orchard, maybe 100 yards. He killed more white tails than most anyone, and at that time deer were scarce in WV.
 
Your question was NOT stupid. If you look at a trajectory chart, you will find the bullet crosses the line of sight twice. Once close to muzzle and again at a longer range. Your 30-30 will cross the first time at about 25 yards with a typical scope mounted in standard, as in low rings. Then crosses again at about 175 yards, dependent on initial muzzle velocity. If you are using iron sights, the first cross is at about 20 feet and the second is about 125 yards. If your hold at 25 yards was good, you will only be off maybe an inch on the side to side at 100 yards. That is minus wind drift, which only you at the time of the shot will know. My father sighted in his 38-55 at kitchen door to the woodshed every year, about 75 feet. Sometimes he would check by shooting at a "little rock" across the road to the orchard, maybe 100 yards. He killed more white tails than most anyone, and at that time deer were scarce in WV.
That covers a straight line up and down. If the OP is off center left or right a 1/2" at 25yds.

OP; if you had left when you first posted this question you would be half way to the range by now
 
I'm with James on this one. It will get you close. Once in the field, take a minute to pop some rocks against a hillside. It will build your confidence if nothing else.
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For the load I use in my .30-30 and with open sights, ballistic calculator is showing me a 25 yard zero would be right on at 25 yards and 50 yards, and it would be 6 inches low at 150 yards.

That's with 150 grain Sierra Flat Nosed bullets at 2200 FPS
 
A 25yd zero should work for anything within 30-30 range. Ideally, your group should be a little bit low at 25 (depending on your sight height), high at 50 and back on at 100. 25 yards is better than not at all, which is what a lot of sloppy hunters do. I don't know how many people I have bring in rifles after season complaining that they missed deer, only to find out they bought a new package gun with a scope and never even bothered to shoot it before going out in the field.
 
A good question. I've been caught in that same predicament. If you are dead center with a center fire rifle at 25 yards (and I mean the grouping is not the least bit off center) you will be on target at 100 yards. Been there done that many times.
 
25 yard zero is a very valid concept.

Problem is, you gotta know the knowns:
Arc for projectile/charge/barrel
Scope vertical offset if applicable


Bet your climb/drop arc for your round is out there somewhere already in the internet.

Look for your load and its trajectory and pencil-whip the math for a 25/150 relationship.
 
One inch high at 25 yds. That should cover anything within 100 yds. Most probably it will be hitting a little high at 100 yrds.
 
well i really appreciate all your answer's they were very helpful and interesting i did go ahead and carv an extra 25 yard shooting lane in the pasture so i got it sighted in a 50 yards thanks again guys
 
well i really appreciate all your answer's they were very helpful and interesting i did go ahead and carv an extra 25 yard shooting lane in the pasture so i got it sighted in a 50 yards thanks again guys
There you go. Compare your 25 and 50 yard points of impact, determine the arc for the round from the internet and Bob's your uncle!
 
well i really appreciate all your answer's they were very helpful and interesting i did go ahead and carv an extra 25 yard shooting lane in the pasture so i got it sighted in a 50 yards thanks again guys

Double win! You're more likely to get an ethical kill on a deer, and now you have a 50 yard range in your backyard that you can use for years to come! (Assuming you have a good berm behind it)

Way to go!
 
Zero at 25 yards with sights 1" above bore, 150 grain round nose soft point, and 2200 fps, you will be 2.93" low at 150 yards and 8.61" low at 200 yards.
 
There are multiple ballistic calculators on the web. If the weight and speed of the projectile is known the calculator will give several close range zeros for different long range zeros since the bullet will cross the line of sight twice.

The U.S. Army uses a close range zero for the basic training rifleman. It worked well for me. I sighted in one day and qualified the next. The furthest target is 500 meters and that's the only one that I missed, and only once.

If the bullet is off .5" at 25yds that equates to 2" at 100yds. Its still a dead deer.
 
Let me add to your grief..................Poor planning on your part.

If that`s all you can do. have at it or take a day during the season and do it right............
Why say that to the kid? I saw many guys at a club zero at 25 yds. This aint bench rest shooting at bottlecaps and you know he will never shoot past 60 yds anyway. A 16 year old kid got eyes like an eagle he will be fine
 
And a canted scope is another couple inches, then add in buck fever for another, now you have a gut shot deer or a complete miss.

Use calculations all you want, the rifle has to be proved first for the calculation to work.

The OP did make it to 50yds which is better than 25, but to see what happens at 100, it needs to be shot at 100.
 
Geez, guys.... at least someone (Scott and James to start things off) answered the man's question! I thought we were here to help each other, not give someone a hard time for not being able to get to a range!

There are no stupid questions here. When I was 16 I probably would have had a hard time getting to a range too. Utilize a bit of collective wisdom and help out. Some of you have and I assume the OP is appreciative.
 
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