270 Winchester Short Magnum rifles

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I have been using the 270 WSM cartridge for a couple years now, In Kimber and Savage rifles. The Kimber is really light, handy. The Savages are a little longer and bulkier which really do not take full advantage of the short action concept. I mean sure they are shorter and lighter than a 7mm Mag, but not svelte like the Kimber. I have had great success, and am impressed with the accuracy of the round as well as the flat trajectory. Any way I wanted to share a couple links about the cartridge and would like to hear your experiences with it.
Craig Boddington, Rifle shooter:
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammo/ammunition_rs_myfavorite_200806/
Wayne Van Zwoll African hunting :
http://www.africahunting.com/threads/the-270-wsm.15713/
 
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I am glad to hear the positive overview of your Kimber rifle (own two in .22 and .308); my 84M shot horribly when I first got it - 5 to 6 inches @ 100 with factory 150 grain Winchester PP. The rifle now shoots an inch or less at 100 yards. Ironically same rifle, scope, ammo - what changed was me. I initially didn't buy that shooting a very light rifle takes a different technique but I learned that (at least for me) it did - I had to learn to shoot the thing. Great to carry in the deer woods and a beautiful rifle as a bonus. I apologize that I have zero experience with any WSM caliber but enjoyed reading your thread.
 
I have the kimber montana in 300wsm and it is an incredible round. It matches and exceeds my 300wm with 180g bullets. I assume the 270wsm performs really well. Superformance powder is almost magic in the 300wsm, not so much in any other calibers I have reloaded with it. I usually hunt with my kimber ascent in 308. I really do not need the long range abilities of the 300wsm. It would be great for 400 plus yard shots. I shoot most my elk and deer at much less than 300 yds. It depends on where one hunts.
 
I own and like my 300 WSM, but all of the WSM cartridges are largely misunderstood. The man who developed the 300 WSM never meant for it to have the "magnum" label. It was meant to be an improved, modern, short action 30-06 coming close to 300 WM speeds, but with much less recoil than the standard magnums. They were always intended for smaller, more compact rifles like the Kimber where the recoil from a standard magnum would be too much.

It matches and exceeds my 300wm with 180g bullets.

Only if the 300 WM is loaded with anemic loads. The hotter 300 WSM loads will somewhat overlap mild 300 WM loads, especially with lighter bullets. But the 300 WM if loaded to its full potential will always be faster by 50-100 fps. And the heavier the bullets, the greater the advantage goes to 300 WM. But that is irrelevant since it was never intended to compete with 300 WM, but 30-06.

A gun writer named Rick Jamison developed a wildcat round he named the "300 Jamison" in the 1990's and approached Winchester with an offer to sell his patent to them. Winchester declined, but came out with the 300 WSM shortly after meeting with Jamison. Jamison sued claiming patent infringement and won. This is the biggest thing holding back all of the WSM's. As part of the settlement any manufacturer making WSM rifles or ammo must pay a royalty to Jamison for a specified number of years. This means they either must charge more, or make less profit on anything WSM. I'm not certain of exactly when, but there are only a few years left on the settlement. I expect the WSM's to see a resurgence when more manufacturers start making them. Ruger and Remington developed their own "short magnums" specifically to avoid paying Jamison.

The 270 and 7mm WSM's in theory do the same thing with 270 WCF and 280 REM that the 300WSM does with 30-06. But the 7mm WSM simply never caught on. Nothing wrong with it, but it was too close in performance to the 270 which was far more popular. The 325 WSM was a disaster from the beginning. There are no decent 32 caliber bullets and the 300 WSM loaded with heavier 200-230 gr bullets easily beats the 325 WSM. A 338 WSM would have been a better option, but even it's advantages over the 300 would have been minimal, if at all.

The 270 WSM offers 270 WCF performance in a smaller, more compact rifle, which was Jamisons primary reason for developing the round. But velocity wise it offers VERY little speed advantage. I've never seen a 270 WSM load that beat what the 270 would do by more than 50 fps. My loading manuals show 270 WCF loads faster than the 270 WSM loads in the links provided.

The 300 WSM beats 30-06 by 100-150 fps with 180's or heavier, and as much as 300 fps with 150-165 gr bullets. I have no idea why the 270 WSM won't do the same. The case holds more powder, it should be getting better speeds.

Not knocking the 270 WSM. It is a good round that offers some advantages over 270. And overall think the WSM case design is a solid, but misunderstood idea. Winchesters decision to give it a magnum label probably hurt rather than helped.
 
According to my Nosler reloading guide 5th edition, The 270 WSM has a more significant speed advantage than the previous post seems to suggest. When all listed Max loads are averaged for both, 270 WSM exceeds 270 Win by 137 FPS with 150 gr. bullets, while the advantage with 130 gr. bullets is larger at 228 fps. Note that I did help the 270 Win by dropping an anemic load listed for AA2520. I would welcome any other experiences in this regard.
 
My 270 WSM shoots 130 btbt noslers at 3250 by my crono out of a 22" barrel . that's not possible in a 270WCF
 
I've owned Tikkas in both .270 Win, and WSM. In the Win, I couldn't really get over about 3050 fps without getting into what I thought were dangerous pressures, and to get the accuracy I wanted I had to keep loads right around 3000 fps. The WSM could go over 3200 fps without really breaking a sweat, and I've read of other folks going quite a bit higher. I dialed my hunting load for the WSM down to about 3200 fps for best accuracy. I think a lot of folks load the 140gr Accubond to about 3200 fps in the WSM for a kill-'em-all elk and deer load, in my experience, velocities in that league are not safely possible, in the Win. I would say that it's fair to say that the .270 WSM is to the .270 Win, pretty much what the .300 WSM is to the .30-06, at least in my experience of loading three of the four. Mag-Pro is the velocity king in the .270 WSM, that stuff really is amazing.
 
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This really helps, as I was contemplating a 270 WSM myself. I stumbled upon one for what I think is a pretty good price yesterday, and was really torn on if I should get it or not.
 
200 fps is not gonna make or break anything but the flat trajectory of the 130 btbt let's me hold center of boiler to 340yrds ,& line up on spine to 400 for boiler hit. And nosler btbt puts them drt.
 
Only if the 300 WM is loaded with anemic loads. The hotter 300 WSM loads will somewhat overlap mild 300 WM loads, especially with lighter bullets. But the 300 WM if loaded to its full potential will always be faster by 50-100 fps
I reload and shoot both calibers. I did not give numbers from a "chart". My 300 wsm with 180 barnes ttsx out of the kimber montana is right at 3190 fps...so the larger case with more powder is not faster in my 2 examples. Probably the powder is the difference. The 300 wm is a Rem700 with same length barrel as the kimber.
 
As part of the settlement any manufacturer making WSM rifles or ammo must pay a royalty to Jamison for a specified number of years. This means they either must charge more, or make less profit on anything WSM.
I would be very surprised if the amount was more than a few dollars per unit sold. Depends on the structure of the settlement for sure.

When the fellow that invented the intermittent electronic windshield wiper had his invention stolen by the Big Three, he sued and won. His settlement, IIRC, was something like $1 for every unit that was installed on a vehicle prior to and following the settlement for a period of years. Doesn't sound like much, but when you take into account it spanned the Big Three's global market, it made him a very wealthy man.

My point is, if Jamison's settlement was similar to the intermittent wiper inventor's, Mr. Jamison would be a very wealthy man with the additional cost to the mfr. and consumer almost impossible to notice. Who would notice a $1 increase in the price of a rifle or a box of ammo?

JM2C
 
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