2nd of 2 incidents @ work today, nothing major - lessons learned?

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This afternoon I was eating lunch with my sister-in-law and 4yo nephew outside at the fenced-in play area of a burger joint. It was right across the road from where I work, I was on lunch break. Being on the job, I was not carrying anything more potent than a can of Fox OC (and I don't advertise THAT either)...

While eating, I hear a few curse words being said in the direction of the parking lot of my workplace, coming from a woman. Having seen (more than once) someone cuss out someone else on a cell phone in a very public place, didn't think much of it.

I DO take notice when I hear ANOTHER voice, male, join in in an R-rated exchange. While my SIL is watching my nephew, oblivious, I turn and see three women and a young man arguing in the (busy) adjacent parking lot. Looks like one woman is trying to break up the fight between another woman and the young man/older woman. My sister in law starts to take notice as the solo woman hauls off and "SMACKS the taste" out of the older woman's mouth! The guy yells something lie "you just hit mother, you GD MFing B!" :what:

At this point, SIL comments that maybe I should consider calling the cops - as she stands on a table to get a better view. I pretty well never carry my cell on my person (though it literally just NOW hit me that SHE does). Not wanting to go to THAT parking lot to my car and get it, I head inside the fast-food place to see about getting management to make the call. Being lunchtime, there's more than a few people between me and the staff. I take a moment to see if there are any cops/deputies eating lunch in there (sometimes, but not daily and not today) and head back out.

By then I see the asst. manager at my job and another employee out in the lot talking to the fighters, now separated and two of them leaving in 1 vehicle. Apparently when I went in, the guy actually started BEATING the woman that hit his mom! :eek:

A police car comes and only pulls through the parking lot...the remaining "fighters" get in another vehicle and leave...:scrutiny: :confused:

In the end, looks like something that would be in a "Springer" script. I hope to learn more details of what happened later.

First and foremost, the main thing I see wrong was that I should have gotten my SIL and nephew inside the instant things went physical, if not before. But one caveat to that was the fact that there were two other kids in the 'playground' that were unsupervised. :banghead:

So if I had decided to get inside to be on the safe side, I would have had 3 options:
1) Leave the other kids out there - NO WAY.
2) Try to "coax" them to come inside with me & the others (that would look REAL good y'know....)
3) Go in and yell something to the effect of "hey, whoever - get these kids inside before the nuts in my parking lot start shooting at each other!"

Number 3 might or might not have been appreciated given how things turned out. Though maybe if the parents/whoever saw US coming inside in a hurry, they would realize something was wrong. Being inside the eatery, there was pretty well no way of realizing something was happening over where it was.

Lessons I should learn?
1) Be more PRO-ACTIVE and don't just stand there gawking like an idiot and thinking 'well, the cops will think I'm paranoid if I call them over a little...holy jeez, she just smacked the whizz out of her! Maybe I can get the manager to call the cops! Maybe....maybe...holy cow, there's a lot of people here. Wonder if any cops are eating here today...ET cetera!) :uhoh:

2) Carry the cell with me? Sure, I COULD have run inside and yelled "CALL 911" and 80% of the people inside would have whipped out a phone. But I guess ASSuming that to be the case is like saying "I won't carry today, It's a shall-issue state so if not a cop there's BOUND to be a CCWer around if I run into trouble!"

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While I'm at it, I may as well relate ANOTHER thing that happened recently, being as vague as possible for privacy concerns. We have a McPharmacy, aka, a drive-thru window. A week or so ago, a patient brought in a script for a medicine, but the MD had NOT signed it. When the tech told him there would be a delay while we sorted it out with the doc, he became abusive. An older pharmacist stepped in and tried to explain that we COULD fill it, but AFTER we called the MD. All we'd need is his word to fill it right away (as it was something you can't just quit cold turkey) , provided the doc arranged to mail us a script fixed correctly.

I was hammering away at the computer on the OTHER END of the pharmacy when I heard a sound I had never heard before, and I gotta admit it chilled me. Not a scream - a roar. The guy was out of the car and I think quite ready to dive THROUGH the window at the pharmacist! :what: :what:

In an instant, the other pharmacist was there, I was there with my hand in my pocket and my finger on the button of my OC, even the assistant manager doing light duty with a broken collarbone was there. The other pharmacist told the guy we were going to call the police, as the woman driving the car begged him to get back inside. He did, and left.

He went to another pharmacy in town and behaved much the same way. Went to one more after that and apparently realized that his situation was what it was and let the pharmacist there do what he had to do to fill it.

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BTW, after the parking lot fight, I was back at work while the chief pharmacist (the guy that said he was going to call the cops on the psychotic DT customer) was poring over some paperwork. Turns out it was our upcoming budget. Turns out that, like in years before, there is exactly $0.00 allotted to our store for "security" purposes.

Though I'm shocked they don't lump in "Loss Prevention" (as in loss of MERCHANDISE to shoplifters, not employees to violence) as security, since that's all the "brass" cares about...:barf: :barf: :barf:
 
First one sounds better than TV, why call the cops, heck let em have it, as long as no one is being permanently damaged. LOL What ever you do stay out of it. I tried to get a guy to stop beating his gal once 40 or so years ago. Next thing I knew she was on his side after me, I MMOB ever since.
 
Eliphalet has a good point in staying out of it. If it turned deadly though, depending on your state, you may be able to intervene. Legally this is probably more risky than just calling the police and staying out of it.

I think carrying a cell phone is just as important as a CCW now days. Prepaid phones are so cheap there really is no reason not to have one. The utility that they provide in many situations makes it a worthwhile endeavor.
 
In this type of situation, I call 911 on the cell phone, get the cops rolling, and then announce loudly to the perps that I've called the cops and they're on their way. Yeah, 99% of the time the cops won't get there in time to do anything, but 99% of the time that announcement will snap normal people out of their hysterics and they will leave in a hurry.

Yeah, many will say just stay out of it. Mind your own business. I just can't do that. I won't do that.
 
Thanks for the post, good lessons if anybody wants to consider and think 'em through.

Thanks, but I also posted to solicit advice on anything I SHOULD have learned from this but didn't...

+1 to staying out of it (besides calling the law, of course). Who's to say if I had announced that I had called the cops, it wouldn't have turned out like eliphalet's situation and then they ALL would have gone after ME? If I would have even known one of the people, to where I could so much as start to form an idea of who the actual bad guy(s) were, I might feel differently.
 
You wanted to warn everyone at burger joint for a fight across the street?

I say mind your own business or call the police and finish your food inside so the children you are with do not hear the foul language.
 
You wanted to warn everyone at burger joint for a fight across the street?

Not so much, but I WAS concerned for the two unsupervised kids out in the play area. Without knowing exactly who they belonged to, sounding a 'general alarm' would be the only alternative to trying to round them up myself. And I'm afraid doing the latter might not be wise in this...depressing...age we live in. Put yourself in the parent's shoes, and imagine what YOU would be thinking if you saw a big, hairy guy trying to coax your kid out of the slide at a play area? :what:

And given the kind of behavior these people were engaged in, I wouldn't put it past them to ignore that lil' law in NC that says only sane, law-abiding and level-headed people can carry a gun.
 
I say mind your own business

IMO that is the sign of an uncivilized society. I do not mind my own business when people have resorted to physical attacks. The majority here may disagree, may say correctly so that I put myself at risk, but I choose to live in a civilized society.
 
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