3 robbed at gunpoint after N.C. state fair declares gun-free zone

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3 robbed at gunpoint after N.C. state fair declares gun-free zone

Judge's ruling to prohibit concealed carry at the North Carolina State Fair backfires when three people are robbed at gunpoint.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/30/3-robbed-at-gunpoint-after-nc-state-fair-declares-/


"Three people were reportedly robbed at gunpoint Saturday leaving the North Carolina State Fair after a judge ruled earlier this month that concealed weapons would not be permitted at the event.

Wake County Superior Court judge Donald Stephens decided more than two weeks ago that it would be “unwise and imprudent” to allow concealed weapons at the state fair this year. The controversial decision received fierce backlash from Second Amendment supporters who argued the ruling was illegal, ...."
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I can't help but wonder how many incidents there are with legal concealed carriers since the judge thinks it was 'unwise and imprudent'?

Or is he just confusing decent law abiding citizens who have a concealed carry permit with scumbags like the two armed robbers?
 
Posted by oneounceload: Were the folks who were robbed concealed carry folks? If not, then this is moot
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Not really.

A criminal who knows that law abiding citizens at an event will be unarmed knows that the risk of being shot is lower than it might otherwise be. Said location is thus a better place to deal out violence.
 
Wait a second, if a judge said that the fair was a gun free zone no way were people robbed at gunpoint. People would never do anything if a judge says they cannot do it. This is nothing but pro-2A propaganda.
 
I wonder what % of shootings and robberies occur in gun free zones? It seems counter intuitive but what do my degrees know.......
 
Those who live in North Carolina, isn't there a state preemption that allows carry in State Fairs? And can a judge overrule a state preemption? According to the article there is an argument that the judge's ruling was illegal.

"The controversial decision received fierce backlash from Second Amendment supporters who argued the ruling was illegal"

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I seriously doubt these criminals are that smart to know one way or another' most don't have an IQ in double digits...............
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An assumption based on little in the way of objective fact....

Look, criminals break into cars around gun-free zones around here quite often.
 
It was a ruling which went against state law. Grass Roots North Carolina is suing and the ruling was from an injunction they sought. I am sure it will rule in favor of permit holders but it is kind of pointless now since the fair ended last weekend. Hopefully it will be decided by next year and I am confident GRNC will win their case despite the State Commissioner saying that the law wasn't clear. It is actually very clear but many municipalities have tried to fight it and have lost every time. It is all based on HB937 that further clarified concealed carry in NC.
 
jrdolall said:
I wonder what % of shootings and robberies occur in gun free zones? It seems counter intuitive but what do my degrees know.......
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Dont know the % but I heard a great monologue by a fella on the radio here a while back and he was talking about the cowardice all these, school shooters especially, exhibit by offing themselves when other guns do finally show up (cops). He listed all the infamous shootings of late and it was pretty much that every one I recognized by name (Virginia Tech) happened in a "gun free" zone.
 
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A criminal who knows that law abiding citizens at an event will be unarmed knows that the risk of being shot is lower than it might otherwise be. Said location is thus a better place to deal out violence.
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People get robbed in and out of gun free zones. These 3 people were NOT ROBBED in a gun free zone, but outside of the fair. They were robbed about a quarter mile away from the fairgrounds in a guns-allowed public area.

http://abc11.com/news/man-charged-after-robbery-near-nc-state-fair/366353/
 
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I seriously doubt these criminals are that smart to know one way or another' most don't have an IQ in double digits...............
An assumption based on little in the way of objective fact....

Look, criminals break into cars around gun-free zones around here quite often.
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And they break into cars that are not in gun-free zones, so what?
Irrelevant. And seeing the news where I live everyday and the downright STUPIDITY of the criminal element, I seriously doubt they read the news to see it was a gun free zone, but rather figured it was a crowded place with folks carrying cash as most fairs operate more on a cash basis
 
I kind of see where OneOunce is trying to go but you have to believe that some of these shooters, especially when it's planned in advance, purposely end up in a "gun free" zone to do their deeds.

I put quotations on gun free zone because there's no such thing IMO.
 
When will these folks realize that "gun free zone" signage means "legal gun free zone" as the folks who obey are not the illegal gun criminals who commit crimes? It like advertising "Hey, no legal permitted gun carriers here!" Does not stop criminals obviously. And the knee jerk reaction is not to punish the guilty, but to pass more stupid gun laws affecting the lawabiding.
 
especially when it's planned in advance, purposely end up in a "gun free" zone to do their deeds.

I put quotations on gun free zone because there's no such thing IMO.
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To some extent, like the school shootings - I agree with you - but those are folks with a far more nefarious intent in mind. Your typical street mugger type is NOT that smart (otherwise they'd be able to hold even a minimum-wage job) and is just looking for a quick smash-n-grab for cash, cell phones, etc.
They're not even thinking that someone might have a gun - just like they do at Walmart parking lots at night
It's a sad thing - to be sure - but please, let's not give these idiots that much credit for intelligence, it isn't there.

These same folks continuously rob C-stores, even though they KNOW there are cameras everywhere recording everything
 
oneounceload wrote= To some extent, like the school shootings - I agree with you - but those are folks with a far more nefarious intent in mind. Your typical street mugger type is NOT that smart (otherwise they'd be able to hold even a minimum-wage job) and is just looking for a quick smash-n-grab for cash, cell phones, etc.
They're not even thinking that someone might have a gun - just like they do at Walmart parking lots at night
It's a sad thing - to be sure - but please, let's not give these idiots that much credit for intelligence, it isn't there.

These same folks continuously rob C-stores, even though they KNOW there are cameras everywhere recording everything
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Just curious-how many armed robbers have you personally interviewed?


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Double Naught Spy writes:

These 3 people were NOT ROBBED in a gun free zone, but outside of the fair. They were robbed about a quarter mile away from the fairgrounds in a guns-allowed public area.
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This may be true. However, if the fair itself is "gun-free", how is one to go about remaining armed for personal protection while traveling to and from it (or their vehicle, if they arrived in one?)

I would feel I had every right to be upset if I had, in accordance with a legal requirement (especially if it were later found to be in violation of the law itself!), disarmed upon leaving my car to attend the fair, then was robbed or otherwise accosted while trying to make my way back to my vehicle, and weapon.
 
how is one to go about remaining armed for personal protection while traveling to and from it (or their vehicle, if they arrived in one?)
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Called having your wits about you, carrying a baton or sap, knife, mace or pepper spray

LOTS of ways that do not include a gun that are still legal in most places
 
Oneounceload writes:

Called having your wits about you, carrying a baton or sap, knife, mace or pepper spray
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Okay. I guess we could all do that all the time, and sell off our carry guns, the right to which we so passionately advocate.

My post was about the assumption that this is a non-issue because the victims were robbed outside the fair. I feel they have just as much right to be upset with the order to disarm as they would had the incident occurred inside the fair proper.

LOTS of ways that do not include a gun that are still legal in most places
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I get that. I went to vote today, and had my knife and collapsible baton on me, while my gun remained in my truck.

This isn't a "Strategies and Tactics" thread. It's about the State Fair incident, and the order that citizens refrain from carrying firearms into it. To some extent, it's also about the legality of that order.

The only point being made in this thread that is nullified by the news that this took place outside the fair proper is that the bad guys defied the order.
 
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