3 year old toddler shoots mother in knee

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I just read this on www.twincities.com I bet the father will be facing charges on this one. Who leaves a handgun in a couch with kid around!!


St. Paul toddler, 3, shoots mom in kneeBoy found father's handgun in houseBY SHANNON PRATHERPioneer PressAfter a 3-year-old St. Paul boy spotted his father's loaded gun under a couch cushion Sunday afternoon, police say, the boy's mother took the precaution of removing the bullets.
But according to police, Lin Lin Xie left the gun in the boy's reach and she probably overlooked a bullet in the chamber. The boy got ahold of the 9 mm handgun and accidentally shot his mother in the knee.
St. Paul police arrived at the family's split-level home at 1597 McLean Ave., in the Battle Creek neighborhood, at 12:35 p.m. Lin Lin Xie, 43, was treated for her gunshot wound at Regions Hospital. She was wheeled into surgery Sunday afternoon and was listed in fair condition.
"It appears to be accidental," St. Paul police spokesman Pete Crum said.
Police removed several guns from the home and said the boy's father had been handling the gun Saturday night.
The boy was in his father's care Sunday. His father, identified by friends and property records, is Lili Pan.
Lili Pan is the managing director of the Chinese American Association of Minnesota's Chinese Dance Theater.
Investigators said they would forward the case to the Ramsey County attorney's office, which could consider filing child-endangerment charges.
A next-door neighbor said the family has lived in the house for eight or nine years.
"They are wonderful people," Carol Christensen said. "They're great neighbors. I am so sorry this happened."
This isn't the first time a young Twin Cities child has injured someone after stumbling upon a handgun. In 2000, a 7-year-old Minneapolis boy found a gun in the pocket of a jacket and accidentally shot his 4-year-old cousin in the shoulder. The gun belonged to a 16-year-old staying with the family. The 4-year-old's injuries were not life threatening.
In that case, the children were temporarily placed in protective custody so the Hennepin County Department of Children and Family Services could investigate the matter.
Shannon Prather can be reached at [email protected] or 651-228-5452.
Gun safety tips
• Equip all weapons with trigger locks.
• Guns should be stored unloaded in a locked box away from children's reach.
• All ammunition should be stored separately from the gun.
• Load your firearm only when you intend to fire it.
• Clean a firearm by yourself in a safe place, and never leave it unattended.
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Good to hear everyone will recover, but . . .

Police removed several guns from the home and said the boy's father had been handling the gun Saturday night.

What crime was committed that necessitated confiscation?

jmm
 
If he would just leave the chamber empty, I doubt the 3 year old could cycle it. Just plain stupidity on both parents part.
 
"What crime was committed that necessitated confiscation?"

Um, child endagerment?

I know I will be flamed for this, but yes, in cases like this I see a crime. The guys is not a responsible gun owner and endangered others through his stupidity. He deserves to be disarmed.

I do not support most gun control, especially if it "is for the children" but in this case I have to make an exception.
 
I'm not sure what the laws are in that state, but in a number of states including mine, leaving any firearm unsecured in the presence of a minor is against the law.
 
I agree with ID Shooting. These people not only committed a crime endangering a child but are a really bad example of how to treat firearms. Tests have been done that show children as small as 3 yrs old are strong enough to chamber a round in many autos so just leaving the chamber empty is not a safe idea. You would be suprised at how many people on this very board said thngs like "I was raised around loaded weapons and never shot anyone as a child" to justify their own poor habits of leaving loaded guns around children when I posed that very scenerio in a recent thread. In my opinion, if you insist on having loaded weapons where children can get to them you should either have to give up the gun or give up the child.
 
If a gun is not under my personal control, it is locked and inaccessible
to "snatch'n'grab" burglars (no longer have small kids to worry about.)

Strong childhood memory: toddler of mom visiting my mom found her
kid under our kitchen table muching on Decon rat poison. Parents
need to pay attention to their kids and teach their kids don't touch;
but we still need to secure guns, poisons, matches, five-gallon mop
buckets (which kill more toddlers per year than guns).

. . . listed in fair condition . . . Until the mother's prognosis is better
known I will refrain from such flippancy as Question: Why did a
3 year old toddler shoot its mother in knee ? Answer: He was
too short to hit her any higher.
 
To those who think you shouldn't leave loaded guns around children, do you remember the Carpenter family incident? If you don't trust a kid with a loaded gun, you have no buisiness leaving the kid home alone. I define kid as under 13 but some kids might be mature enough at 11.
 
I bet that's the last time that she's late with the kid's bottle.:D

I'm glad that she's going to be okay.

Jubei
 
I guess this really was a case of having the booger picker on the bang switch!!!

Seriously, I am thankful that nobody was killed or injured worse.

Bama61
 
I don't know of any semi auto pistols that a three year-old could cycel the slide. In fact my wife can pull the slide back on most of my pistols. Most people in their right mind would not leave a pistol sitting in the couch cusions expecially if they have a small child.
 
Absurd question

"To those who think you shouldn't leave loaded guns around children, do you remember the Carpenter family incident?"

To those who advocate leaving loaded handguns available to toddlers, do you really think a 3-year old is going to save his siblings from a deranged attacker? :scrutiny:

If so, you are truly out of touch.
 
I have a three year old son.

This is not a funny topic. It's scary as hell. I let my son hold my KelTec P11 once after triple-checking the chamber and magwell to be sure it was unloaded. He held the gun in front of him and tried to pull the trigger. He couldn't do it. I was relieved for a second until he decided to turn it around so he could squeeze the trigger with his thumbs. The muzzle was pointed at his face. CLICK!

If I am awake, all of my guns except for the one on my hip are in the safe. When I am asleep, my carry gun goes under lock and key as well. I'd rather take my chances fumbling in the dark with the key to my lockbox and perhaps even confronting a burglar unarmed than to allow any possiblity that my three-year-old could shoot himself or his little brother. I am teaching him that guns are not toys and that shooting people is wrong. As he grows older, we will shoot together. In the meantime, the only place for a gun in my house is in the safe or on my hip.
 
rhubarb said:
If I am awake, all of my guns except for the one on my hip are in the safe. When I am asleep, my carry gun goes under lock and key as well. I'd rather take my chances fumbling in the dark with the key to my lockbox and perhaps even confronting a burglar unarmed than to allow any possiblity that my three-year-old could shoot himself or his little brother. I am teaching him that guns are not toys and that shooting people is wrong. As he grows older, we will shoot together. In the meantime, the only place for a gun in my house is in the safe or on my hip.
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Well said...you might want to consider an electronic pad lock safe or one woth the push button combos to avoid fumbling with a key though.
 
This is not a funny topic. It's scary as hell. I let my son hold my KelTec P11 once after triple-checking the chamber and magwell to be sure it was unloaded. He held the gun in front of him and tried to pull the trigger. He couldn't do it. I was relieved for a second until he decided to turn it around so he could squeeze the trigger with his thumbs. The muzzle was pointed at his face. CLICK!
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Why did you let him hold it? If a kid is old enough to be trained to use a .22, fine, but a tiny kid? :eek:

Please read the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" materials. BEST thing for little kids is what that teaches...if you see a gun, STOP, don't touch, tell an adult.

Now you've taught him that your P11 isn't an adults-only thing and he can pick it up. How do you know he won't when it's loaded and chambered and you just set it down from your belt or something for a second? I would have been like "NEVER touch this one..."
 
if you see a gun, STOP, don't touch, tell an adult.

I always like to add:

kids, if you see a gun, STOP, don't touch, tell a responsible adult.

Not the fool who left they gun lying out.

(yeah, I have been a fool in the past, but I have learned.)
 
"No you didn't. In fact, you said just the opposite."


It depends on the kid. Not all of them are the same. Only you parents can make the decision as to whats right for your kid.
 
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