30-06 147gn FMJ BT {800-X}

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Hi all, new to the forum I have 4 Lbs of 800-X powder and was thinking of using it for the rifle but don't know if this is an incredibility bad idea or not.
(my thinking is it might meter better through the large powder bar than the small one)
I have about 3/4 Lb of Hodgdon Superperformance rifle powder.

I have an Dillon RL550B press.
I load for a Ruger P345, Ruger BlackHawk .357 and a mossburg 30-06
I just use these at the range.
YES I am new to all this but jumped in head first.
Thanks for any comments or wisdom.
A.J.
 
I don't know about incredible, but it is a bad idea. 800X is way too fast for .30-06 loading.
 
No, it for sure is an Incredibility Bad Idea!
No doubt about it.

I don't know of any published data for such a combination.

Step away from the 800X powder drum.

rc
 
That's what I thought sooo
I am backing away from the 800X drum slowly and running for the rifle powder.
Thanks for your input guy's BTW is there a way to get the 800X to meter better?
 
If you are jumping head first into reloading you need to get out of the pool dry off and then start putting your toes in followed carefully with a foot then a leg then the 2nd leg. There is no room for error here. Get a reloading book and follow some tried and true recipes before wondering off into the unknown. Did you start of with a single stage press and learn the basics first before going to the Dillion? kwg
 
Hi. kwg I understand there is no room for error, I did not try it and was not going to until I had talked to experanced loaders about it.

I have the Lyman 49th and Sierra loading manual, I never exceed the recomended max load for that matter I have stuck to the min recomended so far, I am not exited about blowing my hand off.

I started with the dillon 550B (got a deal on it).
I am NOT being reckless with this, I take my time and ask many questions (yes some may be dumb) but in the IT industry we say the only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
 
I have a new question.
I have a Mossburg 30-06 I think it is a AT100
I bought 147gn FMJBT bullets
I have Hodgdon Superformance Rifle powder (which is not in the Lyman or Sierra manual)
the only load data i can find is for this lists a 150gn bullet, an the only place that lista my powder is http://data.hodgdon.com
The charge ranges from 42 to 60 gn of powder.
any advice on this?
 
area1509 said:
I have a new question.
I have a Mossburg 30-06 I think it is a AT100
I bought 147gn FMJBT bullets
I have Hodgdon Superformance Rifle powder (which is not in the Lyman or Sierra manual)
the only load data i can find is for this lists a 150gn bullet, an the only place that lista my powder is http://data.hodgdon.com
The charge ranges from 42 to 60 gn of powder.
any advice on this?
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Hodgdon's website is a reliable source. Start at the minimum and work your way up to where you get the accuracy that you want without signs of over-pressure.

I'm not sure where you see the 42 gr number, though. I just checked and the starting load is 60 gr with a max load of 65 gr (C). Start at 60 and do a usual work-up.
 
I use 800x a lot, and the best way to measure is using dippers.
I tried using the Lee dippers that came with the die kits, but found more consistent results using an old brass case for that cartridge, and filed down for your favorite load. This way you know which dipper goes to which cartridge.
From there, wrap a hefty paperclip around the rim and glue it in place.
Lee PPM gave me +/- 0.4 variance for 800x, but going by hand I get +/-0.1 to occaisionally +/-0.2
800x may meter poorly, and because of my previous experience with the lee PPM I weigh each charge. Having said that, from my weighing, the dipper is very consistent and one day I may not feel the need to weigh each charge.
800x is a very clean & accurate powder for my min to max charges, and has worked for me from 9mm plated to 38spl plated.
 
For all practical purposes, your 147 grain FMJ-BT bullet is a 150 grain Nosler BT bullet Hodgdon's lists data for.

Use Hodgdon's data, and work up from the starting load as you always should anyway.

I'm not sure where you see the 42 gr number, though. I just checked and the starting load is 60 gr with a max load of 65 gr (C). Start at 60 and do a usual work-up.
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THis!

Re-check you data.
It is wrong.

Nothing Hodgdon shows for the 30-06 has a 42.0 grain starting load.

rc
 
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The 42 gn number came from the Sierra manual with AA2230 powder, just using it as a comparison.
 
Now you lost me completely.

Why in the world would you try to compare charge weights for AA2230 to Hodgdon Super Performance powder??

They are not even close to the same burn rate.

rc
 
Just using it as a comparsion because nither manual list my powder.
sorry if it was confusing.
just trying to get it rigrt before I commit to loading them.
 
area1509 said:
Just using it as a comparsion because nither manual list my powder.
sorry if it was confusing.
just trying to get it rigrt before I commit to loading them.
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Do not use one powder as a comparison to another. That leads to an incorrect charge load and a dangerous accident.

Not trying to be harsh, just trying to keep you from making a mistake.
 
A bit of advice. When you research a load, write or print out every thing listed for that combination. I list it out in a format like the Hodgdon manual.

Below that write out any notes you have for the combo.

Below that write down what your loads are, the date loaded and such.

Leave room beneath each combination for notes from shooting.

For each powder & bullet combination start another page.

You can do all of this on a computer, but you need something to take to the range. My power cord won't reach that far, so I print out the data, write stuff, and then enter it in the computer when I get back home.
 
Just using it as a comparsion because nither manual list my powder.
sorry if it was confusing.
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Reloading can be very dangerous if you do not follow data. You cannot mix and match powder data, even with similar powders. You must be specific in asking questions if you expect quality answers. You don't sound like you are taking this seriously enough. It is not something to be taken lightly, and may not be for you.
 
what does this refer to? (Or all your primers in a glass jar!)
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It refers to dumping all your primers out of the little factory 100 count safety flats they come in, and dumping them loose in a glass mayonnaise jar.
A poster on THR some time back suggested it was much more convenient then using them 100 at a time in the factory flats!


But, if you drop the jar on a hard floor, you may likely have a hand grenade go off between your legs, full of primer cups, anvils, and glass shards.

Yes, it has been done.

A young man was killed in a WWII ammo plant carrying a partial bucket of loose primers and jiggling them around as he went about his merry way to the next load station.

I have seen accounts of glass jars and reloading accidents too!

rc
 
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Thank you Jesse and rcmodel good tips I will use.

As far as the powder comparison goes I was not comparing powders, I was just wondering why there would be 18gn difference between one and the other.
I would never mix powders! for those questions I am eternally sorry to you Walkalong.

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area1509 said:
I was just wondering why there would be 18gn difference between one and the other. I would never mix powders! for those questions I am eternally sorry to you Walkalong.
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Some powders will allow for large spreads between the min and max charge weights because of the speed of the powder, bullet weight and case capacity. Other powder will provide a narrow range, sometimes very narrow. Since we have no way of testing we have to rely on the people who do, that's why we follow the published load data.

Hodgdon and Hornady got together and developed a few new powders which perform extremely well. They are clean, provide high velocities and do so without compromising accuracy. I have not yet tried Superformance but I do now use Leverevolution powder in all my 30-30 ammo. I know LVR is a good powder and everyone I speak to says Superformance is a good powder. Just remember, you won't get very high velocities with it in every cartridge you try it in.
 
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