30-06 Muzzle brake
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Muzzle brakes on centerfires are more trouble than they're worth, unless the gun has recoil higher than a .30-06.
If you must, contact Savage. They have one. It's especially nice, because it can be turned off at will. Should you ever go on a guided hunt, or want to hunt with someone else, you can pretty much plan on leaving your gun with a brake at home, unless you can remove or disable the brake.
Muzzle brakes on centerfires are more trouble than they're worth, unless the gun has recoil higher than a .30-06.
If you must, contact Savage. They have one. It's especially nice, because it can be turned off at will. Should you ever go on a guided hunt, or want to hunt with someone else, you can pretty much plan on leaving your gun with a brake at home, unless you can remove or disable the brake.
I had a KDF brake installed on my model 700 in 30.06. Theyare loud but work very well reducing recoil.
http://www.kdfguns.com/KDF%20MB%20Layout.html
http://www.kdfguns.com/KDF%20MB%20Layout.html
Nobody wants to sit next to you when you shoot a gun in a real caliber with a brake. I'd tell him to leave the gun, myself. Ported shotguns are typically not welcome in blinds, either. See the hunting forum here for plenty of examples of guys who would send someone home if that's all he had with him. I would.
Have you ever sat next to someone who fired a good-sized centerfire with a brake on it?
Have you ever sat next to someone who fired a good-sized centerfire with a brake on it?
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Two of my three kids started hunting with a 30-06 and 280 with breaks on them and still use the same guns. My dads wife uses a break on her 280, my dad uses a break on some of his guns, 300's & 338's as do I including a 338-378 so yes I guess you could say I have been around a few and think its a little over dramatic to make the statements you have made, especially to a possible novice asking for advise.
I also have a few friends that shoot at our range that have breaks on 300 WM's
What is a real caliber in your view?
I also have a few friends that shoot at our range that have breaks on 300 WM's
What is a real caliber in your view?
627PCFan
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In a few African countries, muzzle brakes are illegal when hunting. Some guides in the US wont have anything to do with them either.
dubbleA
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Holland's, Vais, KDF all will do a great job in reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump. You can get a thread protecter also when you desire not to have the brake on the rifle, but be aware that the barrel harmonics are affected and POI can change. I find it no big deal and the brakes are always screwed on my firearms. I have 2 sitting on my desk that need to installed as I type this.
Yeah, guns are loud.... get over it. Always wear eye and ear protection:banghead:
Yeah, guns are loud.... get over it. Always wear eye and ear protection:banghead:
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That brings a lot to the discussion, I'm a shooter not a typist
I am in Colorado and have never shot over a feeder if on the range I use ear protection in the field no.
I am still waiting to hear how you come up with such a definitive statement as your first. I know a few guides and many hunters and you are the first I have ever heard mention a MB as being forbidden in the field.
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I would say it comes down to YOUR own personal prefreance. Me personaly I would not put a break on an 06. I also wouldn't think of shooting the 338-378 with OUT a break again. Does the brake reduce recoil, yes, does it make the gun louder for the shooter and much much louder for any onlookers, yes. If the upsides out way the down sides to YOU then by all means put a nice break on your 30-06 and enjoy shooting an 06 with 223 recoil.
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Right about now, I don't think too many guides are picky about who their paying clients are, or what they're shooting. Hopefully, for the sake of our country, they will one day be financially able to be choosy.
Do what you want, including sitting next to your kid shooting a gun with a brake on it. I won't.
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rcmodel
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My feeling is that most shooters, whether they realize it or not, are bothered more by blast & noise then the actual recoil of a gun.
Until you get past .300 Mag levels of recoil anyway.
The bottom line is, brakes are just plain obnoxious to shoot without double ear protection, or to even be around when someone else has one next to you on the firing line.
rc
Until you get past .300 Mag levels of recoil anyway.
The bottom line is, brakes are just plain obnoxious to shoot without double ear protection, or to even be around when someone else has one next to you on the firing line.
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As far as the OP's question, most of the BRAKES that we have on our guns are done in the barrel by a local smith and are his design so I can't help with a specific model that is better than another and would agree that starting with the maker of the gun is a good idea. As far as putting one on a 30-06, it depends upon your sensitivity to recoil. If it lets you comfortably shoot the 06 rather than a 243 than I say go for it and shoot a heavier bullet of larger diameter. (no down side to that with big game)
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RC I would agree with you with the exception of a child or woman of smaller stature.
My kids never used the typical entry level calibers like the 243 that i often hear recommended but instead started with larger calibers and were able to shoot them enough to become very proficient at 12yrs old. My daughter had to have the stock shortened on her 280 and her little brother used it until he was big enough to use his 06 with a full stock and no BRAKE, the oldest used a 760 06 with a BRAKE and then moved up to 300 Weatherby. My dads wife would not hunt if she didn't have a BRAKE on her gun, it is probably mostly perception with her but it is what it is.
None of my kids have issues with recoil now that they are grown, I can't say if their early guns made any difference or not.
My kids never used the typical entry level calibers like the 243 that i often hear recommended but instead started with larger calibers and were able to shoot them enough to become very proficient at 12yrs old. My daughter had to have the stock shortened on her 280 and her little brother used it until he was big enough to use his 06 with a full stock and no BRAKE, the oldest used a 760 06 with a BRAKE and then moved up to 300 Weatherby. My dads wife would not hunt if she didn't have a BRAKE on her gun, it is probably mostly perception with her but it is what it is.
None of my kids have issues with recoil now that they are grown, I can't say if their early guns made any difference or not.
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A good brakes will reduce recoil and control muzzle rise. The downside is blast. The more effective the brake is the more blast it produces. I use a brake on my AK in 7.62x39 that I shoot at rifle matches. I can take follow up shots faster but I use earplugs AND electronic earmuffs to make it comfortable noise wise.
The only way to get around this is to install a suppressor. Those are very effective at slowing the blast of muzzle gas that produces the rocket effect that increases recoil. They also reduce the sound levels, of course.
A good rifle suppressor will run you $500+ and the $200 tax stamp.
BSW
The only way to get around this is to install a suppressor. Those are very effective at slowing the blast of muzzle gas that produces the rocket effect that increases recoil. They also reduce the sound levels, of course.
A good rifle suppressor will run you $500+ and the $200 tax stamp.
BSW
Oldcoyote
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I bought a .416 Rigby and later added a Vais brake because it was killing me. It helped a lot. Out of courtesy, I do not set up right next to people at the range.
The people in Africa did not complain about the noise. I did not want to trade it for a smaller caliber as I liked the way it killed eland, buffalo and elephant.
This topic is a hot one whenever it comes up.
The people in Africa did not complain about the noise. I did not want to trade it for a smaller caliber as I liked the way it killed eland, buffalo and elephant.
This topic is a hot one whenever it comes up.
NCsmitty
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If you are sensitive and need to deal with the recoil of a 30'06, then you should start at other end of the rifle, not at the barrel. There are a multitude of stock-mounted recoil reduction components that work very well, as well as managed recoil ammunition.
A 416 Rigby, or any large caliber that's .375 or larger, burning copious amounts of powder, would benefit from both proper fitted stock with the stock-mounted recoil reduction and a muzzle brake.
NCsmitty
A 416 Rigby, or any large caliber that's .375 or larger, burning copious amounts of powder, would benefit from both proper fitted stock with the stock-mounted recoil reduction and a muzzle brake.
NCsmitty
Oldcoyote
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The managed recoil loads are a great idea. Remington makes them and Hodgdon has reloading data. With 125 grain mild loads, the 06 kicks like a .243.
Maverick223
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Really...illegal...why?
Amen, I despise a brake unless it is absolutely necessary...in which case I generally despise the rifle system. Start with a good recoil pad, add weight and/or a mercury recoil reducer. A properly fitting rifle is also important.
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Just kidding....all I know is, a 300 Weatherby Mag sportin' a KDF will absolutely shred a package of targets on the next bench....
....and snow, man, that thing will throw 3 pounds of snow up in the air, shooting prone in the winter! And you know where all that snow goes.....?
Brakes do reduce recoil, smooth out the gas transition...or to say, most of the waste gas is diverted 90 degrees to the line of departure of the bullet, so turbulent gas doesn't overtake the bullet as harshly....supposed to cause less turbulence imparted to the bullet.
My 300WBY shoots almost 1" lower, give or take, WITH the brake on than with it off the barrel.
The blast noise will cause cows to miscarriage! But it sure does lessen the recoil!
Just kidding....all I know is, a 300 Weatherby Mag sportin' a KDF will absolutely shred a package of targets on the next bench....
....and snow, man, that thing will throw 3 pounds of snow up in the air, shooting prone in the winter! And you know where all that snow goes.....?
Brakes do reduce recoil, smooth out the gas transition...or to say, most of the waste gas is diverted 90 degrees to the line of departure of the bullet, so turbulent gas doesn't overtake the bullet as harshly....supposed to cause less turbulence imparted to the bullet.
My 300WBY shoots almost 1" lower, give or take, WITH the brake on than with it off the barrel.
The blast noise will cause cows to miscarriage! But it sure does lessen the recoil!
Txhillbilly
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If the noise level's of guns with muzzle brakes hurts your sensitive little ears,then all you babies complaining about them need to find a new hobby.
Note-Shooting firearms is loud whether with or without a muzzle brake,wear hearing protection.
I don't think anyone ever puts a muzzle brake on their gun just so they can piss people like you off at the range.
I'm sorry about the rant,but everytime someone ask about putting muzzle brakes on their rifles these guy's have to come out with all the negative comments and personal opinions that other members get tired of reading.
Until you start buying my guns and ammo,don't tell me what to do or not to do to them.
Note-Shooting firearms is loud whether with or without a muzzle brake,wear hearing protection.
I don't think anyone ever puts a muzzle brake on their gun just so they can piss people like you off at the range.
I'm sorry about the rant,but everytime someone ask about putting muzzle brakes on their rifles these guy's have to come out with all the negative comments and personal opinions that other members get tired of reading.
Until you start buying my guns and ammo,don't tell me what to do or not to do to them.
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com'on, you can handle the recoil of a 30-06 round..
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