Shouthern Hunter
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In the 30-06 bullet, is there only 30-06 springfleid?
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"30-06" and "30-06 Springfield" are the same thing.
It is named the 30-06 Springfield because:
-it shoots a 30 caliber bullet
-the "06" is the year it was commercialized (1906)
-Springfield is the company who created it
The cartridge has its roots in the Springfield 1903 military rifle.
They made some changes to the cartridge, I believe they elongated the neck, and then commercialized it in 1906 as the 30-06 Springfield.
Cartridge names can be mighty confusing, but generally the names give the bullet diameter and the creator or some way to distinguish itself from other cartridges with the same bullet diameter.
For example the 308Win is a 30 caliber bullet and Winchester created it.
Remington created the 270 Rem (which has a 0.277" diameter bullet).
A cartidge such as the 30-30Win has a 30 caliber bullet and was created by Winchester. The "-30" comes from the fact that the case holds 30 grains of water.
The 7mm-08 Rem ("seven-millimeter-oh-eight" not "seven-millimeter-aught-eight") is a 7mm diameter (.284") bullet and gets its name from it's parent cartridge, the 308 Win.
The 22-250 has a 22 caliber bullet and the case was derived from the 250-3000 Savage. The 250-3000 Savage got it's name because it's 25 caliber, designed by Savage, and could push a bullet 3000 fps.
Confusing isn't it?
It is named the 30-06 Springfield because:
-it shoots a 30 caliber bullet
-the "06" is the year it was commercialized (1906)
-Springfield is the company who created it
The cartridge has its roots in the Springfield 1903 military rifle.
They made some changes to the cartridge, I believe they elongated the neck, and then commercialized it in 1906 as the 30-06 Springfield.
Cartridge names can be mighty confusing, but generally the names give the bullet diameter and the creator or some way to distinguish itself from other cartridges with the same bullet diameter.
For example the 308Win is a 30 caliber bullet and Winchester created it.
Remington created the 270 Rem (which has a 0.277" diameter bullet).
A cartidge such as the 30-30Win has a 30 caliber bullet and was created by Winchester. The "-30" comes from the fact that the case holds 30 grains of water.
The 7mm-08 Rem ("seven-millimeter-oh-eight" not "seven-millimeter-aught-eight") is a 7mm diameter (.284") bullet and gets its name from it's parent cartridge, the 308 Win.
The 22-250 has a 22 caliber bullet and the case was derived from the 250-3000 Savage. The 250-3000 Savage got it's name because it's 25 caliber, designed by Savage, and could push a bullet 3000 fps.
Confusing isn't it?
the 30-06 'bullet' is .308" in diameter - just like the 308, 300 win mag, 300 wsm, 300 rsaum, 30 br, etc etc etc etc etc.
the 30-06 case has been used to create a number of cartridges (25-06, 270, 338-06, 22 howell, etc).
so... what was the question, again?
the 30-06 case has been used to create a number of cartridges (25-06, 270, 338-06, 22 howell, etc).
so... what was the question, again?
The Springfield designation comes from the old military armory, not a company.
I thought 1906 was when it was adopted by the Army, but there may be discrepancies in the actual date.
There are lots of other 30 caliber cartridges, we just don't call them 30 06. Different name designations these days I guess.
I thought 1906 was when it was adopted by the Army, but there may be discrepancies in the actual date.
There are lots of other 30 caliber cartridges, we just don't call them 30 06. Different name designations these days I guess.
Shouthern Hunter
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Thany you fo the info.
Jim Watson
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You guys are doing a lot of thinking but there is some misinformation here.
The .30-06 cartridge is the .30 (caliber) Government 1906.
Springfield Armory (the US Army installation, not the company now importing stuff from Brazil and Croatia) designed a new rifle at the turn of the (19th) century. It was standardized and adopted in 1903. It's ammunition is now known as the .30-'03. In 1905 President Teddy Roosevelt disapproved of the ramrod bayonet and the target shooters disliked the rear sight carried over from the Krag-Jorgensen. So they redesigned it for a knife bayonet and a folding adjustable sight.
About the same time, the Germans had seen the advantages of the spitzer (pointed) bullet the French were using, and went from a roundnose bullet to pointed, for flatter trajectory. So we had to follow suit. Going from a 220 grain roundnose to a 150 grain pointed bullet required redesign of the rifle's chamber and the cartridge case. Which was shortened, not lengthened.
So all the 1903 rifles that had just been changed to 1905 specifications and all the ones waiting for 1905 updating had to be called back in and converted for the new cartridge. The barrel was removed, shortened by two turns of the thread, rechambered with shorter neck, reinstalled, and a new sight with graduations for the new ammo mounted. That is why we have the 1903 rifle shooting the 1906 cartridge.
There are a lot of other .30 caliber rifles, nearly all use the same .308" bullet, none are directly interchangeable with the .30-06.
Other calibers mentioned above:
.308 Winchester is the commercial version of the 7.62 NATO. The government designed it, Winchester just picked it up for sporting rifles.
Winchester designed the .270 with .277" bullets. There is a .280 Remington for .284" bullets (7mm.)
The caliber designation .30-30 came about because Marlin did not want to put a reference to Winchester on their rifles. Winchester called it .30 WCF (Winchester Center Fire) until common terminology outran their trademark. I don't know what the water capacity of the case is, and have never heard of a cartridge named for it. The usual legend is that the "-30" came about because it was loaded with 30 grains of the smokeless powder available in 1895; taking after black powder nomenclature.
The .30-06 cartridge is the .30 (caliber) Government 1906.
Springfield Armory (the US Army installation, not the company now importing stuff from Brazil and Croatia) designed a new rifle at the turn of the (19th) century. It was standardized and adopted in 1903. It's ammunition is now known as the .30-'03. In 1905 President Teddy Roosevelt disapproved of the ramrod bayonet and the target shooters disliked the rear sight carried over from the Krag-Jorgensen. So they redesigned it for a knife bayonet and a folding adjustable sight.
About the same time, the Germans had seen the advantages of the spitzer (pointed) bullet the French were using, and went from a roundnose bullet to pointed, for flatter trajectory. So we had to follow suit. Going from a 220 grain roundnose to a 150 grain pointed bullet required redesign of the rifle's chamber and the cartridge case. Which was shortened, not lengthened.
So all the 1903 rifles that had just been changed to 1905 specifications and all the ones waiting for 1905 updating had to be called back in and converted for the new cartridge. The barrel was removed, shortened by two turns of the thread, rechambered with shorter neck, reinstalled, and a new sight with graduations for the new ammo mounted. That is why we have the 1903 rifle shooting the 1906 cartridge.
There are a lot of other .30 caliber rifles, nearly all use the same .308" bullet, none are directly interchangeable with the .30-06.
Other calibers mentioned above:
.308 Winchester is the commercial version of the 7.62 NATO. The government designed it, Winchester just picked it up for sporting rifles.
Winchester designed the .270 with .277" bullets. There is a .280 Remington for .284" bullets (7mm.)
The caliber designation .30-30 came about because Marlin did not want to put a reference to Winchester on their rifles. Winchester called it .30 WCF (Winchester Center Fire) until common terminology outran their trademark. I don't know what the water capacity of the case is, and have never heard of a cartridge named for it. The usual legend is that the "-30" came about because it was loaded with 30 grains of the smokeless powder available in 1895; taking after black powder nomenclature.
browningguy
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Jim Watson said:
Vern Humphrey
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Actually, Winchester developed the cartridge under contract to the Army. They liked it so well that they proposed commercializing it, and the Army having no objections brought it out even before the Army officially adopted it.
If you look at the specs, the .308 Winchester is not identical to the 7.62X51mm NATO, but they're very close -- and by and large are interchangeable.
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