I am looking for a light recoil load that will shoot on the sights at 50 yards. I have Trailboss, Bullseye, and some 231. I have 170 grain Missouri Whitetail No. 1 lead bullets. 9 grains of Trailboss shoots a couple of inches low with the sights all the way up. That load is listed at 1100 fps. I think if I could get something about 1400 fps or better it might work, but I find nothing published in that range. 11or 12 grains of TB would probably work, but that is over the max. listing. If I buy some powder, I would rather it be something I could also use in a pistol, like red dot or blue dot. Seems like Bullseye would work, but I find no loads for it that list velocity and I assume it is low. Thanks for any help you can give me.
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A search for "unique for 30-30" turned up this for starters:
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-570464.html
Here's another:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...s-Unique-The-Universal-Cast-Boolit-Rifle-Load
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-570464.html
Here's another:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...s-Unique-The-Universal-Cast-Boolit-Rifle-Load
Lot of good reading there, thanks. Some of that mentioned red dot but no maximum charge data or velocity. I traded off my Unique because it is so flakey it gave me erratic charge weights with my setup. I probably won't find any Unique again anyway.
NCsmitty
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If you are going to limit yourself to the fast pistol powders per se, it's likely you won't achieve your goal of 1400fps safely.
www.hodgdon.com has some loads for 160gr cast bullets using H4198 and H4895 in the velocity ranges that you seek. Whether you can get or you have these powders is another question?
NCsmitty
www.hodgdon.com has some loads for 160gr cast bullets using H4198 and H4895 in the velocity ranges that you seek. Whether you can get or you have these powders is another question?
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243winxb
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30-30 Cast Lead Bullets
Yes, Unique does not measure as well as some other powders. Unique at 10.6 grs-1568 fps maximum is listed in Lyman, but using a gas check based bullet. My guess is the high pressure Unique, at maximum, will not work with a plain base. Or any fast pistol powder in that pressure range. Using H4895 may be a better choice?
Yes, Unique does not measure as well as some other powders. Unique at 10.6 grs-1568 fps maximum is listed in Lyman, but using a gas check based bullet. My guess is the high pressure Unique, at maximum, will not work with a plain base. Or any fast pistol powder in that pressure range. Using H4895 may be a better choice?
243winxb
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It may be possible that a slower fps loading will shoot higher at 50 yds.
How many cartridges do you expect to make up at any one time? If not so many, just weigh the unique charges if you can't get your powder measure to comply. This powder measures acceptably well in my Lee auto disk and Hornady pm's. One of the major advantages to unique is that there is tons of info to be found for just about anything you could want to do with it.
Don McDowell
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You might want to try to locate some 5744,4759,4227, or 4198. Or use Hogdons youth load data for 4895.
Might also take a close look at your rear sight, those two little screws on either side of the "buckhorn" allow you to raise or lower the "buckhorn" to suit your needs.
Might also take a close look at your rear sight, those two little screws on either side of the "buckhorn" allow you to raise or lower the "buckhorn" to suit your needs.
Oh my goodness. I thought those screws were just to hold the blade on. It was all the way down and I can probably raise it 1/8-inch, but it won't need that much. This will work an I will stay with Trailboss. Can't wait to get to the range and zero this thing. Thanks.
243winxb
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Adjustable sights, yes that works. LOL. 
Don McDowell
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Have fun burning precious primers..
DeadFlies
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I load 10.5 grain.of trailboss undr an MBC 165 bullet. It works but POI is so low that even with the sights set as low as possible it still needs some holdover, even at 35 yards. Keyholing at 75 yards. No recoil though.
My other reduced recoil load is 30 grains (1 scoop actually. I dont weigh them) of h4895 under a Sierra 125 grain jhpfn. Moderate recoil and shoots nice and flat to about 75 yards.
I did load some of those MBC whitetail 165s over 17 grains of h4895. Those shot well also. I may have to revisit that load since i cant find hose Sierra jhpfn bullets anyhere.
10 grains of unique works well too but it takes up so little space in he case that i worry about double charging. I dont need that kind of headache so i'm sticking to TB or rifle powders. Ymmv.
My other reduced recoil load is 30 grains (1 scoop actually. I dont weigh them) of h4895 under a Sierra 125 grain jhpfn. Moderate recoil and shoots nice and flat to about 75 yards.
I did load some of those MBC whitetail 165s over 17 grains of h4895. Those shot well also. I may have to revisit that load since i cant find hose Sierra jhpfn bullets anyhere.
10 grains of unique works well too but it takes up so little space in he case that i worry about double charging. I dont need that kind of headache so i'm sticking to TB or rifle powders. Ymmv.
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jcwit
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I shoot a Lee cast lead bullet # C309-113-F gas checked flat point with 12 grains of Trail Boss with bascially the same POI as a factory round.
ArchAngelCD
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Hodgdon provides a Reduced Load Chart using H4895 and those loads work very well. They are reduced in power and felt recoil but can still be used for hunting. Give them a try...
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TexasShooter59
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You never know where you are going to learn something. I did not know that either about the rear sight, and here it is in the reloading forum!!!
Don McDowell
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It's just one of those handy little tidbits a fella stumbles into once in awhile. After being around the darn things all my life I probably never would of figured it out ( never had any need to I suppose) but then about 10-15 years ago I got one of those One Ragged Hole sights to try, and right there in the installation instructions....
KansasSasquatch
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Hodgdon has data for 160LFN with H4198. 15.0gr at 1420fps up to 17.0gr at 1616. I think I'd try to track down some of that if I were you. It's not exactly a heavily sought after powder. It seems like most people using it are using it in bolt action .223s with light bullets. IMR4198 is right next to H4198 but Hodgdon doesn't list 160LFN data for the IMR variant. I would think it'd still be safe to use if you use the starting load for H4198 and slowly worked up. But a call to Hodgdon might be useful. I don't see H4198 in stock anywhere but here's some IMR4198 showing in stock http://www.gamaliel.com/imrpowder/imr_4198_powder.asp
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