300 Movie

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I read it around somewhere that every indominatable culture in the world has a tale like Thermopylae or it has been subjugated or beaten by one that does. Jewish folk have Masada. The Greeks had theirs, the Romans borrowed it. The British have Agincourt, and Victorian Era stands against Zulu warriors. The Sikhs have the stand of Banda Singh at Gurdas Nangal,. The Soviets had Stalingrad to use against Germany. We have Bunker Hill, the Alamo, Bastogne and others large and small.

The tales serve as exemplars of courage, duty, and a willingness to pay the ultimate price for one’s society. Thermopylae is instructive as long as its essence is accurately conveyed. The precise details surrounding that essence have long been mostly lost.

The 300 is historically inaccurate? Well duh. No one really has a first hand written account. Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey weren’t exactly documentary quality fare either, yet they remain central classics across Western Civilization.

Epic events get more fantastic with the retelling. As I understand it, there were between 7,000 and 10,000 Greeks at the battle in question, as well as an entire Athenian Navy protecting the ground effort.

So what? The Spartans were the ones who have long since captured the imagination. The Marines are evidently their PR descendents.;)

Then there is the nitpicking about how the oppressors of the Helots sound ridiculous spouting off about freedom. Well, that’s no more ridiculous than Thomas Jefferson and Henry Clay popping off on the subject. Perhaps no one has a greater appreciation of freedom than a slave holder? I would imagine that one who subjugates others would, with particularity, have no taste for being subjugated himself.

Again, so what?

The Spartans weren’t the ideal defenders of Western Civilization, but at Thermopylae, they, and other assorted Greek hoplites, were all that there was. I’ll take them as heroes, flaws real and imagined, over the alternative. I’d rather be the successor of Sparta and Athens than be the inheritor of “modern” Persia.

The movie was stylistically ripped right off of classical pottery and fueled by the dynamics and exaggerations of oral mythological storytelling. Anyone reading Goebbels or Bush into the film is trying too hard by half.

The 300 is a classic “us versus them to the last man” tale told tall, nothing more. That some quarters have overly complicated dismissals of it says more about them than it does about the central theme of the film.
 
The Citadel's Marine unit is seeing it as PME this afternoon.

I already caught it.

Our Midshipman CO was my platoon sgt last year, and he's had a Spartan obsession since I knew him--I had an interest before I came to El Cid, but he definitely made Spartan lore part of my freshman indoc.


I think this is the best thing I've seen in a theater since BHD.:evil:

I still hope Gates of Fire gets made--I guess this movie's success could only speed that along, right?
 
I didn't like it. I did have high hopes for it at one point in time, but after I learned that they considered both "300" and "Gates of Fire" as potential scripts for this movie, all I could think of was "Why didn't they pick "Gates of Fire"?"

If you haven't read that book, it's well worth the $7.
 
Complaining that 300 is historicly innaccurate, is the same level of humorlessness usually reserved to those who go to see Star Wars and say "Explosions don't go boom in a vacuum."
 
I'm so confused now. "Braveheart" wasn't historically accurate? The '300' movie is about heroic pedophiles? All movies are "political"!? Oh, mother of God....does this mean I'll never, ever, ever get to own a 40 watt phased plasma rifle?
Sorry. Just trying to insert the 'gun' angle.
 
Groan. Oh, my God! They killed Kenny. Oh, well. I've seen Hollywood six-shooters shoot 15 rounds without reloading. I saw a silencer on a revolver.
I still enjoyed the movies. It's OK to enjoy The 300 AND Flags of Our Fathers.
Both movies extol bravery and we always will need brave people who will fight for our freedoms.
 
Saw it last week with thewife and we both LOVED it. Having seen the previews and knowing that it is Frank Miller movie based on a comic book, I went with realistic expectations. Had I gone woth the thought that it would be a history movie, or even a Braveheart/Patriot/Gladiator type of a movie I would in all likelyhood been disappointed. The movie is on the DEFINITE buy list as soon as it hits the streets.

Great battle scenes, great nudity, with a good amount of dudity thrown in to keep the women awake :). Add to that a story line that defends masculinity, standing firm behind ones beliefs up to and including killing and being killed. I can hear the liberal panty wastes heads exploding just thinking about it. What more do you want??
 
OK, which one of you maroons yelled "MOLON LABE" at this evening's screening of 300?

Personally, I think that the audiences of 300 might be the most heavily armed group of people ever in a movie theater. :cool:
 
yup

"I think that the audiences of 300 might be the most heavily armed group of people ever in a movie theater."
 
I confess

Personally, I think that the audiences of 300 might be the most heavily armed group of people ever in a movie theater.

I was at a 10:30am showing today for my first viewing -- my G27 was alongside.:cool:

What a great movie...definitely needs to be seen more than once and placed on the DVD must-buy list. I made a double-feature of it by going to "Shooter" a half-hour after the end of "300".
 
Just to throw some gasoline on the fire, it makes a lot more sense to see the 300 as representing Iraqis and the Persians as representing the US in terms of their relative military power.

And while looking for historical accuracy in movies is a fool's errand, it was kind of annoying to see the bodybuilder Spartans fighting in a way so unlike how Spartans actually fought. I'm sure they could have come up with some interesting scenes involving real phalanx tactics.
 
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Our Midshipman CO was my platoon sgt last year, and he's had a Spartan obsession since I knew him
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Was this movie about the Greek navy?

No, but then again I'm in a Marine NROTC unit.

We don't do much with the Navy mids except laugh at them because they spend their training weekends on campus when we actually go to places like LeJeune and PI:neener:
 
Iranians?

Yeah, as soon as Iran banned it this movie, it moved to the top of my "must see" list :evil:

In fact, I saw some Iranian on The Orielly Facotr a couple of nights ago griping about how inaccurate, racist..whatever the movie was. Oreilly just said "Hey - it portrays events happening in 480 BC - get over it!"
 
-Maximus Decimus Meridius: If you find yourself alone, riding through green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled, for you are in Elysium, and are already dead.
 
I saw it last week. I know that it isn't 100% historically accurate - but then again, what could be some 2,500 years later, especially since Herodotus' account itself probably wasn't.

I generally liked it. The blood & gore issue didn't bother me a bit, though my wife's (female) cousin walked out to see another movie (I warned her...). I liked the big theme, which was a small group of hopelessly outnumbered freedom-lovers fighting a horde of enslavers, dying in the effort but giving the rest of the nation a chance to mobilize and ultimately win. It was the original Alamo.

What didn't I like?

1) The CGI wolf sucked.

2) Why did they have to make so many fakely and hideously deformed people in the movie? What purpose did it serve? To me, it seriously took away from the facts portrayed and the ideals affirmed.

3) Xerxes wasn't 7 feet tall, he didn't have 6 gazillion rings attached to his face, he had a beard and wore clothing, and he never came close to the battlefield. Again, why did they have to so twist the facts?

Frankly, The 300 Spartans from 1962 was better in showing something closer to reality (though the acting and special effects sucked).

Overall, I like the movie a lot. I didn't see it on an IMAX screen and I'd still like to, and I'll definitely buy the DVD the first week it comes out. The fight scenes were very entertaining, even if (as pointed out by another poster) they didn't accurately reflect phalanx fighting tactics (only military historians will notice that). Folks, it is Hollywood - this isn't a documentary.

BTW, I had my .45 strapped on and a 10-round mag in my pocket. I suspect that others were also armed in the audience (South Texas has a bunch of that :D ).
 
I saw it. Loved it.

I'm thinking that some of you just don't get it, and never will. Hey, that's cool. Different strokes for different folks.

It is a larger-than-life myth, over the top in everyway, and it lives large.

And as somebody who is a fan of history, I enjoyed it more because of that. If they had gotten an ancient Greek to direct it, this is what it would have looked like.
 
Excerpts from Mr. Hunter's follow-up to his review of 3/5:

From Here to Thermopylae
In Fred Zinnemann's Sure Hands, '300' Would Have Cut a Deeper, Truer Swath

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer

"Where Zinnemann's great works were meticulous, humane, brilliantly crafted, powerful and moving, they were utterly unself-aware. "300" -- like most other teen-oriented, computer-generated films ("Sin City," "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles," etc.) -- are completely self-aware."


"By contrast Snyder isn't thinking in film terms at all. There's no sinuous continuity in his film, which is mostly geared toward re-creating images from the comic book, as if that's enough. He seems also influenced by video-game imagery, another tribal frolic that separates action from story and presents its players with something like a highly stylized, pain- and risk-free place in the front of the Spartan phalanx: It's all action, completely disconnected from any larger issue.

Still, if you read the comic (I did, standing up in a bookstore), you see that it's an extraordinary piece of work -- and better than the movie. Miller has a remarkable gift for suggesting action as it forces your eye to leap from image to image across the page, and uses all sorts of conventions -- shape of frame, for one -- to enhance and control the rhythm until your eyes reach a giant, climactic full-page frame containing a shattering image. In his infantilism, Snyder tries to duplicate that, following almost exactly the same sequence of images, reaching the same riddled-with-arrows climax. But it doesn't work, the movement seems dead; it's like a tracing rather than a spontaneous thing."
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Note: Zinnemann's movies include "The Search," "Act of Violence," "High Noon," "From Here to Eternity," "Oklahoma!," "The Sundowners," "A Man for All Seasons" and "The Day of the Jackal."
 
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