What if I forgot to put on pants? Or what if I forgot to go to the range or the hunting area, and just started shooting in my house while wearing only my boxers? What would be the best rifle for that?
308, 30-06, 7.62×54r, whats your favorite and why
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What if I forgot to put on pants? Or what if I forgot to go to the range or the hunting area, and just started shooting in my house while wearing only my boxers? What would be the best rifle for that?
CoalTrain49
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If I can't remember to bring the ammo maybe I better check myself into assisted living instead of going hunting.
denton
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The considerate hunter will carry three cartridges afield. Two are for other hunters who may have lost or forgotten their ammunition. The third, of course, is for the winter's own quarry .
TN Outlaw
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I think it's pretty clear why those 3 are compared honestly Varminterror. Not so silly to compare 3 rounds of the same caliber, shooting the same or similar wt bullets, and going very close to the same velocity. Close enough that in the real world there is NO discernable difference.
Not liking one round because the enemy used it or because of the looks of the cartridge, that's silliness to me being it's an inadamate object but is everybody's right to have that opinion.
We are talking about ballistics so what happens when the bullet leaves the barrel is pretty well the entirety of the comparison. Not doing so is like comparing 2 different knives but saying how silly it is to compare their cutting ability.
I do like the vulture/eagle line though
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My bias against the x54R has nothing to do with country of origin, other than the overall lasting effect that has on availability, as one consideration in the overall view. I’m not a Cold War era kid, so I don’t have any bias towards Russia, and thoroughly enjoyed my time working in Prague.
Here’s another parallel I would draw for the comparison of the .30-06 and x54R:When I was in my late teens and early 20’s (and gas could be bought for 57¢/gal), I pulled a stock trailer around the country with a Silverado with a 454. I also built a tubbed Nova with another 454. About the same horsepower, same modifications across the board, same carb, same cams, same transmission, same rear end... do you think the platform which carried each didn’t enter into the consideration?
Debating ONLY external ballistics among a couple dozen 30cal cartridges in the context of hunting is a rather boring pursuit, as the result is largely trivial. But for these 3, the external ballistics isn’t the meat of the experiment.
Here’s another parallel I would draw for the comparison of the .30-06 and x54R:When I was in my late teens and early 20’s (and gas could be bought for 57¢/gal), I pulled a stock trailer around the country with a Silverado with a 454. I also built a tubbed Nova with another 454. About the same horsepower, same modifications across the board, same carb, same cams, same transmission, same rear end... do you think the platform which carried each didn’t enter into the consideration?
Debating ONLY external ballistics among a couple dozen 30cal cartridges in the context of hunting is a rather boring pursuit, as the result is largely trivial. But for these 3, the external ballistics isn’t the meat of the experiment.
I won't try to speak for Varmint', nor do I express an opinion on the particular question posed by the OP. However, there certainly can be differences in the behavior of bullets of comparable weights launched at comparable velocities but from different cartridges, and differences in the behaviors of the guns launching them.
I'd choose to go home.
Corpral_Agarn
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To get another gun + ammo...
darkcloud
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All 3 are excellent rounds. I grew up with a model 70 in 30-06. Killed antelope to elk, chucks to 'yotes. I like it because I can efficiently load plinkers to 200+ grain heavy metal in it with good results.
someguy2800
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I did some research and found out that that the most common boot size is a size 9, so from now on I'm only going to wear size 9 boots on my size 12 feet in case I'm on a trip and loose my shoes.
theotherwaldo
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I have no preference, I enjoy them all.
I haven't had to hunt in over thirty years, I'm not a competitive shooter, and I have a historian's appreciation of most firearms. For instance, it was pointed out early in this thread that military rifles of a century ago mounted sights that ranged out to around 2,000 yards or more. These were not intended for aimed fire, rather they were for massed pointed volleys to beat a particular area. Thus, these 7.62X54R and .30-06 rounds were intentionally over-powered for normal aimed fire so that they could carry the extra distance.
Machine guns made this unnecessary, so later rounds like .308s were milder..
I haven't had to hunt in over thirty years, I'm not a competitive shooter, and I have a historian's appreciation of most firearms. For instance, it was pointed out early in this thread that military rifles of a century ago mounted sights that ranged out to around 2,000 yards or more. These were not intended for aimed fire, rather they were for massed pointed volleys to beat a particular area. Thus, these 7.62X54R and .30-06 rounds were intentionally over-powered for normal aimed fire so that they could carry the extra distance.
Machine guns made this unnecessary, so later rounds like .308s were milder..
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Lemme get you up to speed - the OP stated the thread question:
(Some off topic posts debating the ballistic equivalency among these...)
So by the OP’s request, we’re NOT talking about ballistics... and thus the opinion I offered is wholly NOT based on ballistics, and is not swayed in the least by statements of ballistic equivalency among these 3.
.30-06 for hunting, .308 for everything else. Never the Russian.
TN Outlaw
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I was only replying to the thought that it was "silliness" to even compare the x54r to the 30-06. I just stated and will stand by the reason those 2 get compared. It's a pretty natural comparison balistically speaking.
Yes there's any number of reasons to be a fan of a particular cartridge or firearm and not another and it's everyone's prerogative to willingly choose but if 2 rounds such as these are so close in ballistics, they will get compared and rightfully so.
The part of my post about not liking it because of the looks of the cartridge and because the Russians used it are in response to things I've read on this site. That seems odd to me but so does buying and paying extra for pants that look worn out already and paying more at a restaurant to fix my own food. Guess I'm odd too?
I just didn't think it to be silly at all to compare the x54r to the '06 is all.
Yes there's any number of reasons to be a fan of a particular cartridge or firearm and not another and it's everyone's prerogative to willingly choose but if 2 rounds such as these are so close in ballistics, they will get compared and rightfully so.
The part of my post about not liking it because of the looks of the cartridge and because the Russians used it are in response to things I've read on this site. That seems odd to me but so does buying and paying extra for pants that look worn out already and paying more at a restaurant to fix my own food. Guess I'm odd too?
I just didn't think it to be silly at all to compare the x54r to the '06 is all.
Dr T
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In order of preference: 308, 30-06, 7.62x54R. Reason: Aesthetics--I think that the 308 is the most efficient, and, hence, elegant. Back when the round was ORIGINALLY developed (it went into service in 1891 when the tsar was still around), the 7.62x54R would have gotten the nod for the same reason over its THEN CURRENTLY EXISTING peers (303 British--1888).
FL-NC
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308 for me- so many options available from cheap(er) ball for practice to the various tiers of hunting ammo and match grade rounds. More than enough gun for anything I'm going to be hunting in the lower 48.
cdb1
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As has been stated before when I started deer hunting we had two milsurps in the family, a Lee Enfield and a 1903A3. Both were totally unmodified. Everyone’s mind works differently, for me it cured any interest I’ll ever have for bolt action military rifles. For that reason I’ll never own a rifle chambered in 7.62x54R because they are only readily available in Mosins. I’ve shot a few Mosin Nagants and they less appeal to me than a Lee Enfield or 1903.
I also think it’s perfectly okay to like and own them, they just aren’t for me. The .308 is obviously a great cartridge but it doesn’t appeal to me either except maybe in an AR. Even then I’d rather have an AR in 7mm-08.
I also believe it possible to make a 30-06 rifle just as accurate as a .308.
I also think it’s perfectly okay to like and own them, they just aren’t for me. The .308 is obviously a great cartridge but it doesn’t appeal to me either except maybe in an AR. Even then I’d rather have an AR in 7mm-08.
I also believe it possible to make a 30-06 rifle just as accurate as a .308.
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Mr. Hill
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.270, .30-06, .308....all work great for hunting.
Can you even buy a quality rifle in 7.62x54? I’m not sure one exists in factory form that shoots moa.
Myself among others can tweak a mosin rifle and ammo to do work, but I’ve never seen a model 70 or 700 or any quality rifle in X54. That would pretty well disqualify it.
someguy2800
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The only domestic rifle I ever recall seeing it chambered in was a Thompson Center Encore. It would make a fine cartridge for a break action or falling block. Other non mosin examples would be a Dragonov and a winchester 1895.
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