.308 vs 7.62...

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Prolly a 7mm mag. That is a considerably larger case with a slightly smaller bullet than the .308/7.62x51. When most people refer to 7mm that is what they are talking about.

Just my opinion, but a Winchester or Marlin lever in 30-30 sounds like a good fit for what you are describing. Plenty of power for short-range hunting, lightweight, and just a fun rifle to have around. I inherited a Winchester '94 manufactured in the 50's, and it is a great little carbine. You usually find used ones in very good shape for reasonable prices (i.e. under $300).

Hope that helps!:)
 
winchester lever action 30/30...

i'm beginning to believe that this would be the right one, i was originally swayed by the very nice looking cz carbine in 7.62x39 cause i just really liked the gun

but the more i talk to you guys the more i'm leaning away from it.

and i'm not the type to buy anything thats not going to be of any particular use to me, just cause it's pretty...

and i guess if youre going to have a lever action, it should probably be a winchester,

wouldnt wanna tick off jimmy stewart now, would we?

:rolleyes:

:D
 
I would think that the 7.62x39mm would do just fine on deer up to about the 200lb range.
The 7.62x39mm gets a little flatter trajectory than the 30-30 because of its pointed bullet. Ends up with about the same power and effective range though.
There is some good US made SP ammo out there for hunting, but I would stay away from the Wolf and Barnaul stuff for that purpose. It is OK stuff to stockpile for the invasion of the Red Army and it is great for plinking with an AK or SKS, but I would use something else for hunting.
If you like the rifle, by all means, buy it and use it.
It would at the very least be as good as a Wichester for hunting deer, and since it is both a CZ and a bolt-action, it would likely shoot rings around a lever action. Fast handling and a quick action are good, but hitting where you want is better. In brush, you can't really just wing a bullet through and hit what is on the other side. You have to aim through openings and holes in the brush and make your shot count.
To tell the truth, I think the little CZ 527's are cool as well. If they can be used with that cheap steel cased Wolf, imagine how much practice shooting you could do with it before you hit the woods.
Cheap practice ammo is a good thing, and it would give the CZ an edge over the Winchester.

I did get a refund for a defective gun today, so that may very well be on my list. Hell, you almost have me talked into one. You should go into sales.
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In my experience, you can't go wrong with a CZ. I have a CZ-75BD and a 452. Both are really good guns. On the same note, Winchesters and Marlins are good guns as well. It all comes down to what you want.
Either choice will do the job.

If you are dead set on a lever action, a 30-30 Marlin or Winchester will do fine for head shots out to about 100 yards (if you are good enough) and body shots out to about 150.
I use a bolt action Savage .308 with a 2x forward mounted scope, but it is really more gun than I need for the close range hunting that I do here in PA. The deer I got last year was taken at about 60 yards, which is about average.
Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't take a 20MM AA to kill a deer. Unless you are going to shoot at long ranges, a 7mm Mag is excessive. The best way to hunt deer is to sneak up close anyway. It is harder, but the shots are easier when you are close.
Closer=bigger target=better chance of killing it.
Farther away with a big scope and really powerful gun means that the shooter has to be more skilled at hitting in the first place, and that he has to be better at estimating wind and range as well. Factor in that you are new to hunting, so you will have to contend with all kinds of surges and shakes from adrenaline. Close is good.
Learn how to hunt. You know the deer is in range when you can smell his breath.
;)

BTW- I know I am longwinded, but I forgot to mention the venerable model 99 Savage. They are lever action, and they can be had in .308. My dad and my grandfather both used Model 99's for years (in .300 Savage) and they will hold their own against anything else. I think they are now discontinued, but that was a mistake.
Blessed father, please forgive Savage Arms, for they know not what they do.
 
are you reading my mind?

"In brush, you can't really just wing a bullet through and hit what is on the other side. You have to aim through openings and holes in the brush and make your shot count."

are you sure YOURE not a cz salesman... :neener:

cause you just sold me!

after all that, cz 527 it is...

now wheres my gun guys #, he must have a line on one by now...

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My "school of thought" about guns'n'deer is that I have concern about a bad hit. You bust the white spot in a deer's neck, and almost any little old centerfire will work. A good hit in the upper heart/lower lungs will put a deer down, and it doesn't take a whole lot of cartridge.

But deer can decide to take a step as you tell your finger to press the trigger. Or, they can turn and you have an angling shot, with an extra foot of deer between you and its heart. That's why, to me, the venerable thutty-thutty is pretty much the minimum deer cartridge.

That possibility of a bad hit is why I've passed on shots with a .243 that I would have taken with my '06.

Art
 
280Plus,

I don't think you can go wrong either way, but the one thing I will give the 7.62x39 over the 30-30 is the price of ammo. Cheap ammo means more practice, and more practice means better shots.

Heck, I have upwards of 500 rounds of 7.62x39 sitting in my ammo stash, and about 40 rounds of 30-30. Why? Price. For that reason alone I tend to shoot my SKS about 5 times as much as I shoot the old Winny. (Other reasons, too, but that is a big one....)

Let us all know how it turns out! (Pictures! We want pictures!!! ;))
 
talked to my dealer,,,

its on order,,,

i'll be happy to post a few pics soon as i can!

fwiw,,,i'm into the food aspect of this so i'll be aiming for the young small ones, not the big old gamey bucks, (i already got an 8 point rack from an ancient excursion gathering dust around here somewhere) so the 7.62x39 should suffice even at a bad angle,

if not well,,,then we'll look into that 30/30 i suppose,

"but honey, its not a new gun,,,"

:evil:

one thing i got goin' for me, the SO likes venison,,,

:D

and did you say cheap ammo? :drooling smilie:
 
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