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The .327 Federal is a niche cartridge, but its promoters are marketing to the wrong niche.

It is well known that light-weight bullets at high velocity expand rapidly and reduce penetration, causing shallow surface wounds which often fail to reach the vitals. As a defensive round the .327 will prove inadequate to penetrate heavy clothing and reasonable cover. If a 100-grain bullet at 1500 f.p.s. was so great our military and hostage rescue teams would all be carrying CZ52s. Small caliber defense rounds have never been successful in the US.

For use as a hunting round full-power .327 loads will be suitable only for varmints, not for taking food animals, due to excessive meat destruction caused by those high-velocity, frangible bullets. Maybe the Speer-ATK people understand this and have offered bullets having different types of construction suitable for defense, varmint, and meat hunting purposes, but there isn't enough field experience with the .327 yet to know.

The .327 has great potential as a combination varmint-small game hunter’s handgun for trail use, if it were chambered in a more accurate, handy platform. The SP101 snubby is not accurate enough for small game, and while the GP100 and Blackhawk have potential, neither is exactly a handy field gun. Much better would be to offer the .327 in the Ruger Single Six. This could be done by using a longer cylinder and by shortening the barrel extension where it protrudes through the frame. A production version of custom revolvers Hamilton Bowen has made, a strong 6-shot, 26-ounce revolver with 5 inch barrel and good sights would make an ideal trail gun.

For the .327 cartridge with such excellent potential to survive, there must first be another source of quality brass for reloading other than buying factory ammo at a buck a shot. Starline saved the .32 H&R Magnum from extinction by providing cases of better quality than the Federal stuff which has very poor life. Let's hope they do so for the .327 also. Then all we need is for somebody to introduce a trim small game rifle weighing no more than 5 pounds, with a long enough barrel for a good sight radius with irons, and low noise when shot with .32 S&W Longs.

The .327 also has great potential for rifle use in the varmint hunting and home defense role. Fired from a rifle, the .327 would perform much like a rimmed cal. .30 M1 carbine. With properly constructed expanding bullets the carbine has a much better track record in law enforcement than it ever did with the FMJ military service loads.

The .327 would provide a stronger case for easier reloading than the .32-20, with the ability to digest lower powered ammo for small game. A handy 5-lb. lever-action rifle with ten round magazine capacity, which could digest either .327s or .32 H&R Mags with 20-inch. barrel and conventional loading gate, not the removable follower tube of the 1894 Cowboy, would be very poular. Using .32 S&W Longs it would have "silent without silencer - cat sneeze" performance which kills better than a .22 LR.

Marketing hype surrounding the .327 is based on the premise that American shooters won't accept a new cartridge unless it belches fire and singes the hair off the back of your hand. The promoters think that American buyers are stupid and that more noise and higher velocity are all that matters, which is poppycock. Shooters need to tell them so.
 
While I agree that a .327 Single Six would be fantastic, I think the Blackhawk works well for the application. I'd also like to see a lever gun in .327. We shall see.
 
The "self defense niche" is what is selling right now like hotcakes, so, that's what it is marketed as. They certainly haven't been unsuccessful at it.

"Performance that rivals the .357 Magnum" is the tagline on the TV ad....
 
I agree completely with the OP. I just hope that the self-defense part of the market can help support the more sensible applications of this wonderful cartridge. Imagine a mini-14 in .327, or a 16" Bolt/slide/lever action carbine. Oh man, lovely. 6" barreled DA/SA revolvers, in the slimmest trim. The S&W K-frame variation (model 16?) revived. A 6" target-sight version of the SP101, etc.

Shooting high-pressure handgun cartridges while hunting, often without hearing protection (never enclosed on the range!!) sounds miserable to me - never done it. I'd rather have soft lead 120gr bullets moving at about 900-1100fps from a 6" barrel or 100gr's at 2000fps from a carbine. They'd be deadly tack-drivers without the undue ka-blammo.

-Daizee
 
I suppose it depends on what .357 Magnum its being compared to. The standard factory load for the 110 grain JHP in .357 is at about 1300 fps. No doubt that a 115 grain .327 Gold Dot at 1335 fps has more muzzle energy and might even be more effective for self defense. Of course the 110 grain .357 is not a full-power load, and the 125 grain .357 at 1450 fps clearly beats any .327 load. Its creative marketing, which doesn't make the .327 a bad round, but it also doesn't make it a .357 Magnum.
 
Yep but loaded with useful bullets from the factory without all the collectorizing of the M1.

I also think a mini-14 in .357 would be a sweet ranch rifle. I think the head is about the same size at the 7.62x39. The .44mag leaves such a thin barrel, lower capacity, rainbow tradjectory, etc. I think it's too much in the mini.

Also the Ruger 77/44, but in .327 instead.
It would round out the lineup.

The .30 Carbine also makes a lousy pistol round, even if you did find a Blackhawk to match it.

Of course this is all speculation since I own neither one, but I'd *want* to. :-D

-Daizee
 
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yeah, in the Single-Six! Even if they had to go to a 5-shot cylinder to do it. That would be smokin'.

-Daizee
 
Hamilton Bowen does Single Six conversions to 327 mag.

No. RS06 Cylinder and Barrel Conversion Available for both Old and New Model revolvers (including Vaqueros and Single-Sixes), this conversion was developed for small-bore calibers and includes a custom cylinder and barrel fitted with a custom front sight. Small-frame calibers include the .22 Long Rifle, .22 WRM and .327 Fed. Mag. Please note: we do not offer rim-to-centerfire firing pin conversions. Typical medium-frame calibers include the .218 Bee, .25-20, .256 Win. Mag. and the .32-20. Large-frame cylinders are long enough to accommodate the .22 Hornet, as well. The .41 Magnum is an excellent choice in the various medium-frame guns since the long cylinder will accommodate potent heavy-bullet loads.

RS06 $1,195
RS06S (stainless) $1,195
http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/NEW/RugSAcalconv.htm
 
wouldn't it be great to have the chambering from the factory at half that price??
obviously it wouldn't be a Bowen-tuned gun.

Ruger is now making the .327 in the Blackhawk frame with an 8-shot cylinder. Why not do the Singe-six again?

-Daizee
 
Imagine a mini-14 in .327

Only with a brass catcher. :rolleyes: Yeah, I'd rather just get an M1 Carbine myself. Might even still be some surplus ammo here or there in the caliber considering how many were issued in how many countries.

I could see owning an SSM, though, in .327. I had a friend that was pushing over 400 ft lbs from his .32 Mag SSM. He also had a few molds for it. He loved that thing, carried it in the mountains when he was elk hunting with a rifle. It combined small size/weight with a flat trajectory for taking small game. I could only think the 327 would be even better.
 
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Only with a brass catcher.

heh, point. personally I reload all my centerfire ammo so I didn't even think of that.

He loved that thing, carried it in the mountains when he was elk hunting...

I nearly bought a used one for a great price because of exactly that really beautiful fantasy of a life I don't lead. :-(

-Daizee
 
.327 options

I rechambered a 1895 Nagant revolver to 32 H@R Mag. lots of fun, plenty ammo.
What I really would like to do is rechamber the 1895 again to .327 Ruger and use with lead full wadcutters.
I'm convinced the action is strong enough for target loads or duplicant Nagant loads.
 
even if you did find a Blackhawk to match it.

I see them often. They're relatively cheap on the used market.

The .327 doesn't make a great single action revolver round, either. It's hard to imagine what it's good for, since it's small for camp defense and hunting, and a Blackhawk isn't exactly a CCW piece.
 
According to the Ruger website, the GP 100 in a dealer exclusive and the New Model Blackhawk are both available now in .327 Federal.

According to Jeff Quinn on Gunblast, the former is a seven shot revolver and the latter, eight.
 
Man, a 7-shot full-size DA revolver! What will they think of next?

they'll be putting flatter springs into 1911 mags and boosting the capacity to 8.

-Daizee
 
wouldn't it be great to have the chambering from the factory at half that price??
obviously it wouldn't be a Bowen-tuned gun.

I agree. It wouldnt be a Bowen, but it wouldnt have to be either. A Single Six sized single action with that kind of power would be great.
 
I've always wanted a rimmed straight walled cartridge in 30 or 32 caliber with a case length the same as the 357, 41, 44 Magnums. This in something like a S&W Model 19 with a six inch barrel. Would make a ifty field gun for small game.

The expansion problem is just a matter of selecting the proper bullet for the job.

The 327 comes close to such a cartridge as any but isn't quite there yet.
 
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I thought the Detective Special soldiered on with the old action for a while.

BTW: Colt was not the only revolver with the tight lock up. A good Webley (Which generally does not include the war time Mk IV 38s.) will lock up even tighter than an old Colt, not only having the hand pushing the ratchet all the way but having TWO opposing cylinder bolts and a cylinder arbor that's integral with the front half of the frame..
 
.327 in a Single Six? Hmm... I like that, maybe a whole lot. It would be a reloader's dream. The lever gun would be handy, but only if I had the revolver first. Yeah, I'd buy a Single Six in 327. :)
 
Oops!

Oops! My last post landed in the wrong thread. It was supposed to be in the Colt Trooper 22 LR thread.
 
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