Brian Williams
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For me it would be a great single shot rifle round for ground hogs. I will keep my 357s.
.327 Magnum, the next big thing?
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Tom Servo
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Cost of ammo makes it impractical for me. Sure, it can fire .32 H&R Mag and such, but those are expensive as well. .38/.357 are still cheaper, and they're proven rounds.
OTOH, an 8-shot L-Frame or 10-shot N-Frame in .327 could be interesting...
OTOH, an 8-shot L-Frame or 10-shot N-Frame in .327 could be interesting...
Virginian
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It already is the last little thing. I wish it, and all it's proponents well. Heck, I have a couple of 22s myself.
How many 7mm rifle rounds do we have on the market now? The 7x57, the 280/7mm Express Rem., the 7mm Rem. magnum, the 7mm/08, the 7mm Weatherby, the short fat 7mm magnum, and the even shorter even fatter 7mm magnum? The people who make guns and ammo are trying to find ways to sell more of both. More power to them. But I don't need one. But, if they came out with a 44 Grand Magnum, that would still shoot regular 44 Magnum, and 44 Special, and didn't look ridiculous in a Ruger Blackhawk configuration, now I would have to have one of those. That would be practical as all get out.
How many 7mm rifle rounds do we have on the market now? The 7x57, the 280/7mm Express Rem., the 7mm Rem. magnum, the 7mm/08, the 7mm Weatherby, the short fat 7mm magnum, and the even shorter even fatter 7mm magnum? The people who make guns and ammo are trying to find ways to sell more of both. More power to them. But I don't need one. But, if they came out with a 44 Grand Magnum, that would still shoot regular 44 Magnum, and 44 Special, and didn't look ridiculous in a Ruger Blackhawk configuration, now I would have to have one of those. That would be practical as all get out.
moooose102
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i just don't see the point. one of these days, i will replace the model 686 i sold several years ago, and it will be a .357 magnum. the .357 seems to do everything very well, and if you do not like the recoil you can shoot 38 specials, or 38 special +p's. so why would i want to go and take a chance on a cartridge that may fade into oblivion, that really does not do something better than the tried and true .357? actually, i do not see the point of a lot of the "new" cartridges they have come up with in the last 6-8 years. all the wsm's, rum's etc. what do they really offer that the old tried and true originals do not. most of them, the only "advantage" is they fit in a standard length action in stead of a magnum length action. so what does that really do for a shooter. the amount of time it takes a shooter to rack a bolt an extra 3/4" is miniscule. and the same for any supposed weight savings. the only real savings i can see is it is cheaper for the gun manufacturers to make the gun. do they pass that savings on to you? yes, in some of the cases, there is a slight increase in velocity, in calibers that already have enough power to push a rinocerous off a cliff at 100 paces. i just dont get it. am i alone on this?
evan price
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.41 Action Express.
.45 GAP
.327 Magnum
.480 Ruger
Yawn.
.45 GAP
.327 Magnum
.480 Ruger
Yawn.
My observation about it is that it is ballistically similar to the 7.62x25 Tokarev. A .312" 85 grain bullet going 1400-1500 fps, vs. a .308" 85 grain bullet going 1400-1500 fps.
Yet some people will still tout the Tokarev as the wunderround while saying the .327 Magnum is 'underpowered.'
I'd take a seven or eight shot .327 Magnum revolver over a CZ-52 any day.
jm, never missing an opportunity to bash the CZ-52.
Yet some people will still tout the Tokarev as the wunderround while saying the .327 Magnum is 'underpowered.'
I'd take a seven or eight shot .327 Magnum revolver over a CZ-52 any day.
jm, never missing an opportunity to bash the CZ-52.
Fingolfin
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It's actually a round i've wanted to be developed for many years. The reason is 6 shots in a snubbie with more power than the .32 H&R mag. Everything about it, as you would expect from manufacturer info and gun magazine reviews, sounds wonderful. I figure the biggest catch may be the muzzle blast and report. I'm not sure if the extra round is worth it if i've just been flashbang stunned by my own weapon, although .357 mag out of a 2" barrel isn't exactly dainty.
Either way i'm hoping S&W will produce revolvers in this chambering, although i'm happy with my .38spl +P.
Either way i'm hoping S&W will produce revolvers in this chambering, although i'm happy with my .38spl +P.
BBroadside
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Virginian makes a good point: "How many 7mm rifle rounds do we have on the market now?"
It seems like rifle-buyers are much more receptive to new cartridges than handgun-buyers. I'm not sure why this is. I used to think there were more rifle cartridges than there needed to be, just because for every "regular" caliber there seemed to be both a Win or Rem magnum caliber and a Weatherby magnum. Then all the short magnums and ultra magnums came out....
And yet handgun sales are comparable to rifle sales ... it's not like there are ten rifle sold very every handgun. So I guess it's common for someone to own, say, ten rifles in eight calibers, and ten handguns in two calibers. Or something like that.
I want a gun-totin' economist (Truman noted they all have two hands!) to come in and explain this to me.
It seems like rifle-buyers are much more receptive to new cartridges than handgun-buyers. I'm not sure why this is. I used to think there were more rifle cartridges than there needed to be, just because for every "regular" caliber there seemed to be both a Win or Rem magnum caliber and a Weatherby magnum. Then all the short magnums and ultra magnums came out....
And yet handgun sales are comparable to rifle sales ... it's not like there are ten rifle sold very every handgun. So I guess it's common for someone to own, say, ten rifles in eight calibers, and ten handguns in two calibers. Or something like that.
I want a gun-totin' economist (Truman noted they all have two hands!) to come in and explain this to me.
Shade00
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I won't be adopting this early, but if S&W hops and makes a 6-shot J-frame, I would probably get one. Been meaning to buy another J-frame lately anyway...
I will buy one, if, someone makes one with adjustable sights. In my opinion, fixed sights are for combat guns, adjustable for hunting and plinking. I think it would be a great knock around gun for skunks, possums, coyotes, and stuff like that which you might run into around the farm in the off-season. I would like an adjustable sighted J frame Smith or adjustable sight SP101. Less so the SP101, to heavy for round in my opinion. Maybe resurrect the Security Six For the 327. Hell, for that matter please bring it back in the .357.
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outerlimit
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I read about this cartridge in The Shooting Times a while back,
Sounds interesting, maybe light vest penetrating capability as well. A .327 @ 100gr. sounds like a really long bullet, I wonder if tumbling is a problem?
Sounds interesting, maybe light vest penetrating capability as well. A .327 @ 100gr. sounds like a really long bullet, I wonder if tumbling is a problem?
Charter Arms is producing two revolvers in .327, so there seems to be some interest in this new round.
http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_New_products.html
http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_New_products.html
There's always room for something new. Yes a .357/.38 will do everything a .327 will do, probably better, but I think there is still a place for the .32 caliber revolvers. I like the idea of an 8 shot L frame s&w or gp100. I also like the 6 shot capacity in a small framed gun. I think you might see Taurus come up with some products before smith commits to the caliber. It kind of builds on itself if more manufacturers make the gun, then more ammo makers will make the ammo. Why not? The wife has a sp101 in .32 mag that she adores (I like shootin it too), I think there is a market. As far as usage, I think for anything up to and including wolves the .327 would take care of and is lighter and a bit easier to carry. Just my thoughts
outerlimit
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I think a scandium .327 might be a little less harsh to shoot than a .357. And like you mentioned 6 shots instead of 5 in a j-frame.
zxcvbob
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The industry is trying to reinvent a rimmed .30 Carbine cartridge (like a .32-20). They just don't realize it yet.
What they need to do is chamber the Ruger Model 99 in 327 federal. A rotary mag that fits 4 44mag rounds could probably take 7 or 8 of the 327 Federal. It would be a modern update on the 30 carbine (and a great option for those of us with a local AW ban)
thebaldguy
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I saw the article as well. While I don't think it's a bad idea, I don't think it's a great idea either. Like those Winchester rifle WSSM cartridges, I think this cartridge is an answer in search of a question. I don't see myself buying a gun chambered in this new round.
cslinger
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I would love for it to take off and be the next big thing but I seriously doubt it will.
Its just hard to go wrong with good ole' .38/.357, 9x19mm or .45ACP. Those three calibers are plentiful, relatively inexpensive, able to be bought anywhere and will do anything one could ever need in a handgun.
Chris
Its just hard to go wrong with good ole' .38/.357, 9x19mm or .45ACP. Those three calibers are plentiful, relatively inexpensive, able to be bought anywhere and will do anything one could ever need in a handgun.
Chris
icebones
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the next little, big thing.
the .32 H&R magnum was somewhat popular for a few years, and i suspest the .327magnum may suffer the same fate.
sad thing, the .327 magnum seems like a idea round fro smaller statured shooters and concealed carry.
a .357 magnum is a big much for a 110lb woman to handle, but the .327 apparently gives a bit more punch without the recoil.
the .32 H&R magnum was somewhat popular for a few years, and i suspest the .327magnum may suffer the same fate.
sad thing, the .327 magnum seems like a idea round fro smaller statured shooters and concealed carry.
a .357 magnum is a big much for a 110lb woman to handle, but the .327 apparently gives a bit more punch without the recoil.
rockstar.esq
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Personally, I think this round suffers the same marketing faux pas as the FN Five seven. Selling silly small cartridges to CCW folks who haven't seriously considered much below a 9mm for some time isn't good business. In both cases they'd have made a FAR bigger spark selling them as varmint rounds. Seeing as how the .22Mag, and the 17HMR offer about the same level of utility as the 5.7 or the .327 Federal, one would think this'd be elementary.
just another marketing ploy...
Can't blame the manufacturers for trying to sell more stuff, I mean hey they're in business to make money! But in reality they are trying to fill a niche that doesn't exist. Buy a 357, you can shoot buffalo bore or corbon for big power, standard 357 mag, 38+p, and regular 38. With lower ammo cost and an infinite variety of factory loads...I really can't see what the 327 is bringing to the table.
Can't blame the manufacturers for trying to sell more stuff, I mean hey they're in business to make money! But in reality they are trying to fill a niche that doesn't exist. Buy a 357, you can shoot buffalo bore or corbon for big power, standard 357 mag, 38+p, and regular 38. With lower ammo cost and an infinite variety of factory loads...I really can't see what the 327 is bringing to the table.
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I think most people are missing the point. The H&R actually makes a fine SD load and the .327 should be even better. But that is not what it's primary attraction is. This is a GREAT small game revolver and rifle round. That is where it will win fans.
And if the muzzle blast bothers you - good. You deserve to lose your hearing if you are not wearing hearing protection EVERY time you shoot.
And if the muzzle blast bothers you - good. You deserve to lose your hearing if you are not wearing hearing protection EVERY time you shoot.
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