$350 To Start From Scratch

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Greetings Fellas.

I need to start reloading. I have 350 bucks to spend on starting up. So, if you were just starting out and this was your budget, what would you get?

I want to reload for the following cartridges:

Rifle
.300 Savage
.303 British
.223 Remington/5.56 Nato
.308 (when I get a rifle in this caliber)

Pistol
.45 ACP
9mm Largo
9mm Luger
.38 Special

Thank you for your help.
 
From midsouth shooters supply:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690174

sell the press on ebay you'll get $20 out of it.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0004487460

if you sell the crappy lee press you'll be at about $100.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690502
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690547
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690545 http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690507

thats about $80 in rifle dies brings you to $180-200

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690509
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690510

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690513

that should plus shipping take you to $260 or so dollars. you can subtract $50 for the partner press but i'd spend it.

for rifle powdder either hodgdons 4895 or IMR's works in 303, 308 and 223 not sure on 300 savage

pistol powder 231, bullseye, hp38 or aa2

expect to spend $40 on 2 lbs of powder.

you are at $300

primers $2-$2.50 per pack of 100. i'd get 1000 small pistol 500 large pistol 200 large rifle 500 small rifle. say another $40

thats $340

its gonna be tight man.

tell you what you pay shipping i'll help you out.

i've got a lyman scale you can have. i have a pact bbk now i don't need the lyman. i also have some lead rn 230 grn 45 acp bullets maybe 200-300. i'll size up some 130 grn lead rn bullets for your 9mms and i'll send you some that are sized for .358 for the .38 spec. i cast my own bullets so all they cost me is my time. i'll toss in 2 100 packs of small pistol primers.

email or pm me you're shipping addy and i'll get the stuff packed up and sent. if you keep it pay me the shipping.

also troll ebay i have seen some bad and some KILLER deals there too.
 
I don't think $350 is going to do it. I'd spend the $350 getting a nice single-stage outfit for the rifle cartridges, and save the pistol cartridges until you've got enough money for a good progressive.
 
For $350 you can buy a first class set of tools and dies for one or two cartridges or you can try to get just enough to get by for several cartridges.

I'd buy the best tools I could and add more cartridges as I learned.

What guns will you be reloading for?



David
 
$350 will be a stretch if you have to ge able to reload all the calibers you listed right away.

What I would do is check the Midway website and see if the RCBS reloaders package is on sale. Last time I saw an ad for the package it was running around $250 and contains everything you need to start except for Dies, Powder, Primers and bullets. If memory serves correctly, the kit has a Rockchucker press, Powder measure, scale,lube pad and lube, a case trimmer, and several other necessary items. It's all first rate stuff and will last longer than you can.

Powder is around $ 16-20 per pound and you wil need at least one Pistol Powder, and one Rifle Powder. I recommend 231 for the pistols and for the rifles I use IMR 4198 but ask around as others have their own favorites.

Dies can be had from Lee for a reasonable price and an extra with them is they come with their own shell holder included. It's been a few years since I bought any but I believe their Rifle dies went for under $20 (Non Carbide) and their carbide pistol dies for a couple bucks more a set. Carbide sizing dies are a definite plus when sizing large quantities of handgun Ammo as they eliminate the need to lube the cases prior to sizing.

Primers go for $13.50- $14.50 per thousand and are not interchangeable

You can begin to see the problem, too many items and too little cash.
I think you should still get the RCBS kit,(The Quality will be well worth the money and will last a lifetime) but then get on E-bay and watch the yard sales in your local paper. Often (at least here in Geriatric Ville, someone is always selling reloading equipment for next to nothing. It might take a little time but you just might make your target budget that way.
 
Whether from within the family or from gunshow purchases, I have quite a few good used dies that are over thirty years old. I'm still using some '06 dies my uncle gave me in 1950. :) I've never had problems with used stuff, including scales, powder measures and presses. "Good used" is quite often good quality and good'n'cheap.

Sorry I didn't check powder/primer prices in the Sports Center, last Friday, but they're commonly around $5 under retail, per pound or per thousand. On I-75 in Georgia, at the Perry-Fort Valley exit. Around mile marker 136.

Art
 
Another vote for the RCBS kit. Best way to get everything you need to start out, minus dies and components. A single stage can do rifle and pistol, and is (IMO) the best way to learn to reload. Save the buying a progressive till you know what you're doing, and know you like reloading.

Midway and Natchez both have good prices on reloading kits and supplies. Also, ask at your local gun store what they can do for ya. And Finally, hit the gun shows and the Cabela's/Galions/etc stores. Not the best prices, but you save on shipping a bit, and you get it right then.
 
My shpeal:
I got an RCBS Rockchucker kit and an RCBS Video, because I was overwhelmed with how to get started reloading.

If I were to advise someone on how to do it that was a friend, I would show him how, and then loan him enough stuff to do it at his home.

Telling someone how to do it on the internet, I would start out with the tasks that have to be done, and list the cheap tools to get, so the the guy can maintain a mental map of the goals:

38 Special is very easy and cheap to load, most people have one, and the guns have mountains of safety margin. They are a good place to start.

1) Get the old primer out of the case, called depriming or decapping.
2) Make the case small enough in inside diameter to grip a bullet and small enough on the outside to fit in the chamber. This is called resizing.
Both steps 1) & 2) are usually accomplished in one step as the resizing die has a decapping pin. This will require:
a) Shell holder ~$3 Lee #1 shell holder or ~$5 RCBS #6 shell holder.
The same size shell holder can be used later for 357 mag, 256 Win mag, etc.
b) A resizing die. This die will probably be bought in a kit with one, two, or three other dies. In straight wall cartridges, carbide resizing dies are available at an extra cost. It is always worth the extra to get carbide. Adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set.
Lee 3 die set for 38 special; $21 steel, $23 carbide
RCBS 3 die set for 38 special: $36
c) A press. Lee Reloader press $20 is a real cheapee, but will always find a use. RCBS Rockchucker $90 is a workhorse of the highest quality.
3) Clean the case.
This step can be done with a couple twists of the wrist with steel wool, or expensive vibrators. Later when you get more tools, you will clean the primer pocket, but it is not needed.
4) Re prime the case.
a) One can buy a priming tool and do it in 2 seconds or fumble with the primer built into RCBS presses and do it 10 seconds.
Lee Auto prime II $13, RCBS priming tool $26
The two tools I mentioned use the same shell holder as used above in resizing. Beware that Lee also sells another priming system ["Lee auto prime" not "Lee auto primer II"] that uses special shell holders. I would avoid that system to start.
b) One must also buy, beg, borrow, or steal new primers.
To buy them mail order, one would have to pay a Hazardous Materials charge [Haz Mat]. Small purchases would be too expensive. Usually 100 primers can be purchased for $1 or $2 at the local gun store. Primers come in combinations of being; magnum or standard, pistol or rifle, and large or small. For 38 special, small pistol primers are what is needed, and will work with standard or magnum, but most published loads with be with standard primers.
5) Fill the case with powder. This is called charging the case. For this one will need powder and a way to measure powder. With black powder, one just fills the case, but with smokeless powder too much powder will fit. Start out using smokeless powder and measuring it. The amount to use depends on the bullet that will be used. The amount is published in load books, or better still on powder manufacturer's web sites for free.
a) Buy powder. There is the Haz Mat problem again, so off to the neighborhood gunstore. Any "pistol powder" will do. Expect to pay ~$20 for a pound in a gunstore. I like Bullseye or Unique powder made by Alliant, but AA#2 or AA#5 work just as well made by Accurate Arms, or Winchester 231, or Hodgdon HS-6, or Vihtavuori 3N37, or IMR SR7625, or dozens of others.
b) Measure the powder. This can be done with cheap plastic measuring cups with handles from Lee, but I would start out weighing the powder. The weighing scales: Lee Perfect powder measure $20, RCBS Uniflow Powder measure $60 [this tool is really nice]
6) Install the bullet. This is called seating the bullet.
a) Buy bullets. For 38 special, .357" diameter or .358" bullets are normally used. You can buy lead bullets or lead bullets covered with copper called jacketed bullets. I would start out with jacketed bullets. These will cost you 5 to 15 cents each and usually bought in 100's.
b) The seating die should have come in the reloading die kit. Put it in the press and put the primed and charged case in the shell holder. Set the bullet on top of the case and raise the ram [push down on the press lever]
c) Measure the over all length of the cartridge [OAL]. This can be done with a ruler, but is best done with dial calipers. Expect to pay $20 for some Chinese calipers or $100 for American.
7) Crimp the case into the bullet. This means the case must pinch the bullet so hard that recoil will not yank the bullet out when other chambers of the revolver are fired [or so the bullet will not get shoved deeper into the case from recoil in magazine or tube fed cartridge]. The type of crimp depends on the type of cartridge. The rimmed 38 special case should be roll crimped. The rimless 9mm cartridge should be taper crimped. The crimping step can be done in one step with the bullet seating, but I would start out doing it in two separate steps. The two steps look the same [cartridge goes into seating die], but can be different in how the seating die is adjusted. Again, adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set and with the seating die, there is also the adjustment of the seating stem [knurled knob on top of the die].
8) Take notes when you shoot your handloads. Write on the targets. Things like "125 gr. bullets shot way low, but 158 gr. bullets were right on." will come in handy next time you sit down to reload or buy bullets.

>From the above it looks like it will cost $110 to get started.
That is 1/3 of what it cost ME to get started.

There are more steps to loading a bottle shaped rifle cartridge, and even more to get them to be very accurate, but after one masters the 38 special, it will make more sense.
 
Starting out with a cheap press is not a bad thing. You can always sell it or use it depriming brass. This is one area where you can save soon money at first.
I would spend more on a good scale, powder measure and calipers. Along with good sense these are your safety equipment.
I agree with clark about a hand held priming tool. The best buy I made when I was starting out was the RCBS unit. It had it's problems (when the directions say don't release spring tension while disassembled for changing shell holders, they MEAN it), but it is worth its weight in gold and deserves consideration even if on a budget.


David
 
The Rockchuker kit has stuff I use and like:
1) press [I broke the first one and they send me another]
2) 5-0-5 scale
3) hex key set [in my tool box now, not used for reloading]

The Rockchucker kit has stuff I wound up having no use for:
1) case trimmer
2) primer tube
3) primer pocket cleaner
4) case lube
5) case lube pad
6) "Speer13" reloading manual

The Rockchucker kit has ok stuff that I use sometimes:
1) case deburrring too




It won't kill you to waste some money on a kit with some dumb stuff in it.
Just don't fool around for years to learn to take the expander ball out of the sizing die to cut the groups size in half, like I did:banghead:
 
Thank you all for the replies.

There was one thing that I was unclear on that has caused some confusion. I am not planning on getting ALL of the dies at once. At most, I will buy 3 sets at first (.300 Sav., .223, and .303)and then get more as I become familliar with my setup. I just wanted advice on a press (kit) that could HANDLE all of the rounds listed.

I think that I will probably get the RCBS Rock Chucker Kit. It seems like the best setup for the money.

I would like to get a progressive press for the pistol rounds in the future, but you can still load for pistols on a single stage, right? It is just much slower right?

One thing that the RCBS kit does not have is a case length trimmer. I am to understand that I will need one of these for the rifle rounds. Who makes a good one (easy to use) for a price that will not kill my wallet? I have a pair of nice dial calipers that will work, so that is covered.

Kernal_panic, PM sent regarding your generous offer.

Thanks guys.
 
There was one thing that I was unclear on that has caused some confusion. I am not planning on getting ALL of the dies at once. At most, I will buy 3 sets at first (.300 Sav., .223, and .303)and then get more as I become familliar with my setup. I just wanted advice on a press (kit) that could HANDLE all of the rounds listed.

I think that I will probably get the RCBS Rock Chucker Kit. It seems like the best setup for the money.

I would like to get a progressive press for the pistol rounds in the future, but you can still load for pistols on a single stage, right? It is just much slower right?

One thing that the RCBS kit does not have is a case length trimmer. I am to understand that I will need one of these for the rifle rounds. Who makes a good one (easy to use) for a price that will not kill my wallet? I have a pair of nice dial calipers that will work, so that is covered.

Pretty much all single stage presses can handle the calibers you listed, Lee and RCBS included.

I've been loading pistol and rifle on my Rockchucker for a long time now. I have no intention on getting a progressive any time soon. Not to say that you won't want to go progessive later on down the road, but you should have no problems loading pistol rounds on the Rockchucker.

As far as trimmers, I have the RCBS trimmer, but I ended up buying a Wilson trimmer with a Sinclair clamp mount from Sinclair Intl. The RCBS doesn't cut completely straight from what I can tell, and so I got a Wilson for more precision reloading. The RCBS is faster to use than the Wilson when trimming a lot of brass, but the Wilson is more accurate. I use my RCBS trimmer for .223 brass (AR fodder) and the Wilson for my bolt action stuff.
 
I would skip the expensive case trimmers altogether and get a LEE trimmer, along with the case length guages for each chambering. Its simple, quick, no setup time, and cheap.

9MM luger- I would hold off getting dies for this one. I've reloaded plenty of 9x19 on a single stage press, and found it really isn't worth my time or effort if I can buy the ammo for very cheap.
 
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