.357 sig recoil?
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It depends on the loads and it depends on the guns , but that goes without saying . IME , my .357 2340 is about on par in terms of felt recoil with any other medium-full sized .40 or 9mm with +P's ; it's actually the bigger noise and felt pressure wave that make the shooting experience from it different - and more fun . It's far easier on the hands to shoot 100 rounds of S&B or Speer FMJ .357 range ammo than 30 rounds of +P 9mm from my compacts like the Kahr and Beretta 9000 - at least that's what I was feeling like around 5:30 today !
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I have SIG P229 in 357sig. My perception is of a sharper pressure wave overall with more muzzle flash in some brands than others than say, a HiPower shooting either standard 9mm or +P or +P+ 9mm. At an indoor range, invariably someone cranes their head around to the back of my stall to see what I'm shooting.
Right, techbrute and aguyindallas?
As far as enduring the recoil, I can shoot the SIG just as long as my BHP without adverse effects on myself. It won't jump out of your hand, it won't conk you on the noggin with muzzle flip, and it won't cause your eyeballs to bleed. I can't say that is true for any +P+ 9mm I've fired, not that I subject my current BHP to that, mostly because a regular diet of +P+ in her isn't nice to slide velocity, in my opinion. What you feed your 9mm is your business. If you care to shoot a lot of +P+ 9mm, then consider a 1911 variant, maybe one Dane Burns has massaged.
Downrange is another deal altogether, though. I think the target butt is glad when I finish for the day when I have the SIG.
There's a reason it has been compared to a lightning bolt.
As to .40S&W, I can't attest to the recoil objectively, because I haven't fired a lot of it, nor do I own a pistol chambered in it.
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Rabbit.
Right, techbrute and aguyindallas?
As far as enduring the recoil, I can shoot the SIG just as long as my BHP without adverse effects on myself. It won't jump out of your hand, it won't conk you on the noggin with muzzle flip, and it won't cause your eyeballs to bleed. I can't say that is true for any +P+ 9mm I've fired, not that I subject my current BHP to that, mostly because a regular diet of +P+ in her isn't nice to slide velocity, in my opinion. What you feed your 9mm is your business. If you care to shoot a lot of +P+ 9mm, then consider a 1911 variant, maybe one Dane Burns has massaged.
Downrange is another deal altogether, though. I think the target butt is glad when I finish for the day when I have the SIG.
There's a reason it has been compared to a lightning bolt.
As to .40S&W, I can't attest to the recoil objectively, because I haven't fired a lot of it, nor do I own a pistol chambered in it.
Regards,
Rabbit.
earthworm
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I can feel a difference in my Glock 32:the .357SIG is sharper but far from unmanagable or unpleasant. .40S&W in the same gun feels like 9mm in a Star BM. What is surprising to me is how despite the .375 being the barrel that came with the gun it seems to shoot the .40 more accurately.
at-home-daddy
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I have a Sig P229 chambered in .357Sig, and have a factory .40S&W swap barrel for it as well (that, truth be told, I've only used a few times). The difference in felt recoil is relatively minimal, and I'd be hardpressed to say which is worse/better on any given day. However, the *way* that the recoil is felt seems, to me, to be another matter. I find the .357Sig to have a relatively straight-back push, kind of like a .45 except with more snap (instead of the .45's heavy push); it's a very "clean" feeling and motion. The .40, on the other hand, has more pronounced muzzle flip and, for me, the accuracy (or lack thereof, in the .40's case) thus can potentially suffer. The .357Sig, conversely, can be a laser beam if your aim, stance and trigger control all come together to allow it.
.357Sig's definitely my choice between the two.
.357Sig's definitely my choice between the two.
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I'd classify the recoil as sharp and fast, but not heavy by any means. The muzzle blast is excessive, far worse than either the 40 S&W or 9mm +P+. I can't stand to be on an indoor range with someone shooting a 357 Sig.
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cidirkona
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Sounds like I need to get a 33 barrel for my 27!!
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otomik
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SIG 229 has a short barrel, it's not all that noisy and flashy. Even my Bersa .22LR loaded with CCI Velociters gets a few looks. I suspect perception also has a lot to do with the holy number 357.
cratz2
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As always, recoil is highly jubjective. In my experience, the 357 SIG has a bit more muzzle flip than 40s in similar guns... Of course, load selection has an awful lot to do with it. I'd suggest trying to rent a 357 SIG if possible but if that isn't possible, the best and easiest suggestion I can think of would be to pick up a box of the some 135 grain 40S&W ammo from CorBon. Not going to be exactly scientific or anything, but full power 135 Gr ammo will be a lot more of what you can expect from typical 357 SIG ammo than what 180 Gr 40 amm is.
Really, I know a lot of folks seem to prefer one or the other, but assuming identical guns, say two 229s, most folks that can shoot 40 well will be able to shoot 357 SIG very similarly.
Compared to +P 9mm ammo, 357 SIG and 40 has a more pronounced concussive effect and I think that really hightens the recoil effect. I've shot TONS of +P Gold Dots through many different 9mms, both subcompacts, compacts and full size guns, and pretty much all the 40 and 357 SIG guns I've shot have more recoil and more muzzle blast than 9mm guns. Even comparing a G31 to a Kahr P9 Covert, the 357 SIG still has more recoil though I suspect that many shooters would be able to learn to shoot the G31 better than the P9.
Really, I know a lot of folks seem to prefer one or the other, but assuming identical guns, say two 229s, most folks that can shoot 40 well will be able to shoot 357 SIG very similarly.
Compared to +P 9mm ammo, 357 SIG and 40 has a more pronounced concussive effect and I think that really hightens the recoil effect. I've shot TONS of +P Gold Dots through many different 9mms, both subcompacts, compacts and full size guns, and pretty much all the 40 and 357 SIG guns I've shot have more recoil and more muzzle blast than 9mm guns. Even comparing a G31 to a Kahr P9 Covert, the 357 SIG still has more recoil though I suspect that many shooters would be able to learn to shoot the G31 better than the P9.
To answer your question, a 357 Sig 229 has 7.65 fp of recoil. When J. D. Rockafeller was asked how much his yatch cost he said " if you have to ask you can't afford it. Same goes about recoil, if you have to ask how much it is you shouldn't fire it.
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.357 Sig out of a Sig 226ST feels like a 9mm
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otomik,
I can tell you that my "perception" of the 357 SIG comes from being a regular at Richmond, VA range while police there got familiar with their new SIG's that my company sold them. The 357 SIG operates at higher pressure and maintains more pressure at the muzzle than either the 9mm +p+ or 40 S&W.
David
I can tell you that my "perception" of the 357 SIG comes from being a regular at Richmond, VA range while police there got familiar with their new SIG's that my company sold them. The 357 SIG operates at higher pressure and maintains more pressure at the muzzle than either the 9mm +p+ or 40 S&W.
David
otomik
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all 100% true, i'm not arguing with you. i like SIGs, i don't like indoor ranges, i find many powerful cartridges fired from shorter barreled weapons like the P229 to be unpleasant indoors (and it's rather lightweight at 28oz, sharp recoil, high flash and noise). yes "perception" is subjective, deal.
Hawk
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I was surprised how light the .357 Sig recoil felt in my P239. I'm at a loss as to why as the grips seemed smallish and I had previously felt pretty "worked over" by a Kahr .40. Just one of those mysteries of life, I guess.
Now, muzzle blast and flash are a different matter - plenty enough of both of those, but that's just more fun.
Now, muzzle blast and flash are a different matter - plenty enough of both of those, but that's just more fun.
Let's try this, the P40 Khar weighs 21.5 oz and throws a 135g bullet at 1310 FPS for an energy of 514 FP with recoil of 10.35 FP. The Sig 229 weighs 37 oz and throws a 124g bullet at 1400 FPS for an energy of 539 FP with recoil of 6.53 FP. That is why the Kahr has more recoil! When you have comparable energy levels the lighter gun will recoil more.
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Agreed - I, however, had drifted off topic (as usual
) and wasn't talking about the P229. My P239 = 29.8 Oz. K40 = 26.0 Oz. Not much difference on paper.However, the Kahr just didn't fit me - web of hand was bleeding after 50 rounds. 100 rounds of .357 through the P239 and the only thing that hurts is my wallet - we need cheaper .357Sig ammo
I have a sig 239 with both 40 cal and 357 sig barrels.
As far as i can tell, the 40 has more recoil....the 357 seems more controllable.
HOWEVER, this may be due to different pressure loadings in the different brands of ammo i have shot. None of the 357 i have shot out of it would be considered "hot" ammo...just range ball stuff.
As far as i can tell, the 40 has more recoil....the 357 seems more controllable.
HOWEVER, this may be due to different pressure loadings in the different brands of ammo i have shot. None of the 357 i have shot out of it would be considered "hot" ammo...just range ball stuff.
Funny. That statement makes me remember one time at a local indoor range, early morning hour, only one other shooter, a old timer with his target twenty two who poped off about one round every two to three minutes, then spent another two to three minutes adjusting his sights.
He complained to the range staff, said something along the lines of "too loud" they said something along the lines of "that's nice". I learned this later as I was leaving. I was shooting their reloads.
Afterward speaking to the staff he confronted me, told me to "knock it off." I suggested he take up golf. He called me a "punk kid." and troted back to his lane.
The best part is during the entire time the old timer was violating some very basic safety rules, as his muzzle wandered all around, covered me atleast a dozen times.
I went to the range staff, haha my turn. They watched him for about five minutes and then issued a warning to him. He packed up shortly thereafter and left.
I might be a "punk kid" but I am a extremely safety concious punk kid.
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thorazine,
I don't mind giving up the range to you young fellas and your noise makers. Truth is, it takes about 2 minutes for you rattle through your box or 2 of store-bought cartridges. After you run everybody off the range is fit for us old folks.
I've always thought that the range should be a place of utmost respect and courtsey. Indoor ranges require us to pay special attention to the safety and comfort of those around us. If you are on the range with your 357 SIG, full power 10mm loads, 454 Casull, etc. I'll wait until you're finished. I don't mind other people shooting whatever they like, but you'll have to understand if I don't want to be on the firing line next to you. Same goes for you guys with muzzlebrakes on their rifles. Crack the case on a 300 Ultramag with a big fat brake and I’ll go clean guns for a while. Nothing against you or your choice of gun, I just don’t want to be next to you when you light it off.
David
I don't mind giving up the range to you young fellas and your noise makers. Truth is, it takes about 2 minutes for you rattle through your box or 2 of store-bought cartridges. After you run everybody off the range is fit for us old folks.
I've always thought that the range should be a place of utmost respect and courtsey. Indoor ranges require us to pay special attention to the safety and comfort of those around us. If you are on the range with your 357 SIG, full power 10mm loads, 454 Casull, etc. I'll wait until you're finished. I don't mind other people shooting whatever they like, but you'll have to understand if I don't want to be on the firing line next to you. Same goes for you guys with muzzlebrakes on their rifles. Crack the case on a 300 Ultramag with a big fat brake and I’ll go clean guns for a while. Nothing against you or your choice of gun, I just don’t want to be next to you when you light it off.
David
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I agree with the statement about not wanting to be next to someone shooting a lound/high percussion gun. I own several .357SIGs and a couple of ported competition .38 supers. While I don't have a problem shooting them, I DO have a problem being next to someone shooting them.....there's a HUGE different (I shoot at an indoor range).
In fact, I finally had to sell one of my SVIs that had a 6 port Schumann barrell.....after awhile I became uncomforable shooting it at the indoor range due to the percussion I felt while shooting surrounded by partitions on each side as well as the ceiling (the ceiling has acoustical panels and the blast from my gun out of the ports would make little pieces fall all over me....looked like a really bad case of dandruff....
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So....I love my loud, flashy guns but that's only if I'm the one shooting them!!!
In fact, I finally had to sell one of my SVIs that had a 6 port Schumann barrell.....after awhile I became uncomforable shooting it at the indoor range due to the percussion I felt while shooting surrounded by partitions on each side as well as the ceiling (the ceiling has acoustical panels and the blast from my gun out of the ports would make little pieces fall all over me....looked like a really bad case of dandruff....
)So....I love my loud, flashy guns but that's only if I'm the one shooting them!!!
mmay1
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The 357 Sig is a good bit louder than the 40 S&W, in my opinion, but I can't tell much difference in recoil in the same pistol (Sig 239). As to sharing the range with others, I carry the foam plugs to use in addition to the "ears" when I or some of my fellow shooters use some of the more lively calibers.
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