38 DA 3rd Model - Removing Side Plate

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Just won a Gun Broker auction for a 38 Double Action 3rd Model. Never had one of these old topbreaks before. Keeping fingers crossed.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=399767379

I’ve had the side plate off a few modern S&W revolvers. Not a problem. Have all the correct screwdrivers. Know not to pry it off. Gentle tap it with something non-marring, like a plastic screwdriver handle or a short length of hard wood.

Anything to watch out for? Things that fly out, or fall out? How many screws have to be removed? How does the cylinder and barrel come off?

I don’t want to disassemble it down to it’s component molecules. Just open it up, gently clean out any gumk, lube it, and put it back together.
 
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Dunno what's going on at the bottom of the grips, looks like the bottom of both grips broke away at the alignment pin hole. Fairly common. Looks replated to me as the trigger and hammer look plated. S&W never plated their hammers or triggers. Hammer and trigger should be Case Hardened, trigger guard should be blue or case hardened. But replated guns can be nice too.

First remove the cylinder by lifting the top latch, opening the gun, and rotating the cylinder the wrong direction while applying slight pressure backwards. There is an interrupted thread on the arbor that keeps the cylinder on the arbor. Rotating the cylinder backwards with slight backwards pressure engages the thread and allows the cylinder to be threaded off the arbor. Lifting the latch allows the cylinder to slide up past the lug on the underside of the latch. It will be obvious.

Removing the side plate is pretty much the same as taking the sideplate off on a modern S&W. Remove the grips, then remove the one screw in the center of the side plate. I don't remember exactly right now, but that screw may actually be a nut, disguised to look like a screw, as with the modern guns. The screw/nut usually sets into a counterbore on the old Top Breaks, holding the side plate in place.

Anyway, once the screw/nut is removed you can pop the side plate off exactly the same way as with a modern revolver. No, nothing is primed to sproing off into the wilderness when the side plate was removed in these old guns. Not a bad idea though to rest your thumb lightly on the side plate as you whack the frame, so the plate stays put. Next step is removing the main spring. You have to compress it to relieve it from contact with the hammer spur. I use a pair of pliers that opens rather than closes when the handles are squeezed. Just noticed there seems to be a strain screw on this gun. Relieve the strain screw first before attempting to remove the main spring. Note: getting the spring back in place is always tricky as it involves compressing the spring with one hand while maneuvering the hammer and hammer stirrup into position with your two other hands. It usually takes me a bunch of tries with any Top Break Smith. But it is easier if there is a strain screw to relieve the bend of the spring. Not all Top Breaks have that feature. Once the main spring is out you can maneuver the hammer and hand out. That's as far as I usually go with Top Breaks, removing the trigger and cylinder stop requires driving out the pins they ride on and I don't like to go that far. You can do a pretty detailed inside cleaning with those parts still in place. I don't like to remove the barrel, some of them have pretty tricky mechanisms for ratcheting the ejector, some don't. You can lubricate the barrel hinge pretty well without removing it. I just leave it at that.



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http://www.oldwestgunsmith.com/mybooks/af.htm

This book will take you through complete disassembly and reassembly of many old guns. An invaluable resource for the owner of old guns. You can buy it from Dave's web site, or on Amazon.
 
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Thank you Dr. J.!

I suspected it was refinished. Any time a seller says, "I'm not sure, but it might of been refinished", you pretty much know it was. And now that you mention it the trigger, hammer, and trigger guard are dead give aways. Even the side plate screw hole looks a little dished out.

But that's okay. I just wanted something that look halfway decent and functions correctly so I can shoot it. The seller said he'd even throw in a box of old cartridges that came in with the gun, if he can find them.

Regarding handloads for this particular firearm. I know it's from the black powder era, but do you think it would handle some really light smokeless loads? Mostly because I'm a member at an indoor range and I don't think they would appreciate black powder smoke.
 
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