.38 loads .357 cases, what OAL?

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The search function answered my question regarding magnum vs. non-magnum primers when loading .38 power loads in .357 cases, but I didn't get a clear indication of what OAL to use?

Do I stick with normal .357 OAL or go a little deeper given the lower volume of powder?
 
I wonder how much a titch or schosh is?

When loading 38 spl in 357 mag cases, I use the 38 spl load data and seat the bullet to the groove in lead or to the oal of the case used for jacketed bullets.
 
Do I stick with normal .357 OAL or go a little deeper given the lower volume of powder?

Seat the bullet to crimp in the groove or cannelure provided, OAL takes care of itself. The case volume difference is marginal and any .38 spl load from the manuals will get the bullet out the barrel.

Be careful with very light loads that are reduced more than 10% off the maximum listed charge for the .38 spl standard pressure as these could get stuck in the bore. Don't use lighter end lead bullet Cowboy data when using jacketed bullets. You can safely use any .38 spl load from the manuals at start to max level, standard pressure or +P for the type of bullet used.
 
Many, if not most revolver bullets have a crimp groove and load manuals that list loads for particular bullets take that into consideration. I have nearly always seated bullets to the crimp groove for my revolver rounds, exceptions being full wadcutters and a special load for a rifle in .44 Magnum. So, for .357 and .38 I seat to the groove and use a roll crimp, but to answer your question, seat to manual recommendations for the cartridge being loaded.

BTW; on the west coast I've used a "tad" of powder which is equal to .1575 grain...
 
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What powder & bullet ya gonna use , some low pressure 38 combos will result in a squib load comin out of a 357 case !!

& I use "smidgen".
 
My vote is stick to the lower end of the published data for .357 loads. Faster powder, like .231 and bullseye work for me. Load to .357 OAL, into the cannelure.
 
Seabee: I load many of the same bullets for both 357 & 38 revolvers & my general rule of thumb is 10% more powder in the 357 case to achieve close to same velocity. That's really not a whole lot when you consider say that a classic 38 load for a 148 HBWC is 2.7 grains of Bullseye & 10% more brings it to just 3.0 grains. All 38 Special standard pressure loads are way milder than modern 357's can handle & there's no way your going to hurt a Ruger or an S&W or Colt 357 Magnum with a load with 10% more powder than the 38 load. SAAMI max pressure spec for the 357 is 35,000 PSI, more than double the 17,000 PSI spec for 38 Special standard loads, 10% more powder than the 38 standard pressure ain't gonna hurt nothin'.
For OAL, stay with the crimp groove and a roll crimp if the bullet has one, lead bullets usually do, some jacketed & some but fewer plated do also, but if NOT, max OAL for the .357 Remington Magnum cartridge is 1.590 in., although Smith L frame cylinders can take rounds that are longer than that, but Colt's can't. But the idea with the 357 case versus 38 with light loads is to reduce internal free space for better ignition consistency, so accuracy may improve with light loads by seating slightly deeper with non-grooved bullets, maybe to just before the start of the ogive & a slight taper crimp so you don't cut into the jacket or plating.
 
except is "SKOSH", which is similar to a "tad", unless you are talking about distances, then a "tad" - as in a "tad over yonder" can have a greater meaning. With gunpowder in small cartridges, ~2-5% more powder
 
"...stick with normal .357 OAL..." Yep. You can forget the crimp altogether for target loads. A light roll crimp, maybe, for hot .38 Special loads.
Doesn't need more powder nor magnum primers either. Magnum primers have nothing whatever to do with the cartridge name.
"...for a 148 HBWC is 2.7 grains of Bullseye..." Doesn't need 10% more. 2.7 grains of Bullseye works just fine in a .357 case. No tads, pinches, titches, smidgeons or schoshes/skoshes are required. Just use .38 data in place of the .357 data.
 
I just use 38 data in 357 cases. Works fine in 3 or 4 of my loads out of a 6" 586.
 
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