.38 Long Colt With Heel Bullets

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If you ever have the opportunity to load .38LC, or any other caliber, with heel bullets...PASS IT UP!

I just spent the better part of four hours loading 50 rounds. First, you have to find the cast bullets. I found Gad and Alpha Bravo Mfg as sources. Because of backlogs, and me being a exceptionally smart shopper, I ordered 300 bullets from each. During that process, I learned my .38LC dies can't be used to crimp the bullets. I had to order a special crimper from Old West Bullet Moulds...another $50+.

The Alpha bullets came in fairly promptly. (I have no idea what Gad has been doing the last two months.) Of course the bullets weren't lubed. Another new experience! These bullets are lubed on the outside of the case, not inside as usual. Messy. While that was drying, I trimmed some .38 Spl brass down to .900 per instructions.

After the usual sizing, flaring, etc, I went through 4-5 sources for a AOL. All differed. The bullets have two cannelures, however, only the one near the base was .358". Using the other would bulge the case so it wouldn't chamber. That means only a little less than 3/16" is actually in the case.

The next and most irritating task was figuring out the crimp die set-up. The special crimp die is a modified Lee crimper with a height-adjustable shell holder. Let the swearing begin!! Maybe I'm a little dense, but it took me the better part of an hour to figure it out. (Well, that includes a couple coffee breaks to quell my frustrations.)

That accomplished, I finished. In total, I ruined three bullets and kinked one case in the process. For my first attempt I can honestly say it was about as much fun as whipping yourself with barbed wire.
 
Well you know how it's done now, your ready for the rest to show up..:D

I'm with you, your experience sounds about like my first venture into progressive press loading. I'm watching this and screwing up that. Yep I have mangled some cases, bullets, and primers as well. But you get better with practice, and it sounds like you have plenty to practice with.
 
The simple fact that got 50 of them reloaded at all shows more fortitude than I would have had. I have to say though, I wouldn't have gotten have ways through that process.

Your my hero! I would have lost it after the first hour.
 
Well, this all started with an attraction to the 1892-1907 Colt New Army, all noted to be chambered in ".38LC"...wrong!

Instead of doing proper research, I found they were/are two different models that use the same case:

The models before 1901 (no steps in the chambers) use a bullet the same diameter as the outside diameter of the case and have a much larger bore. To reload, either a hollow-base or a heel bullet must be used to achieve any accuracy...well as much accuracy as these old guns ever had.

The models after 1901 (a step in the chambers) are essentially are a cut down version of the .38 Spl.

Being the crafty and astute buyer that I am, I have been able to purchase four of the early models. Ergo, my endeavor with the heel bullets.
 
So as a guy who was considering a conversion, this indicates to me that I'd better get any .38 conversion lined down to use .357 bullets... because reloading .38 Colt doesn't sound like any fun to me.

Have you tried regular .357/.358 HB wadcutters? I've read that they'll expand out and fill the bore enough to catch the riflings in a .38 Colt.
 
I've successfully fired 148gr HB wadcutters in the early models. They're not as aesthetically pleasing, but you avoid the mess I put myself in.
 
Kernel,

I have read mention of an old Rapine mold for hollow-base bullets, but apparently they are rare. But since I never got into casting, I didn't look very hard.
 
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