.38special defensive ammo?

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I'm going to acquire a Ruger LCR and I'm stepping into new territory here, carrying a revolver. I've spent as much time as I could handling the LCR in stores and can't wait to try it out in the wild, it seems like a breeze to carry.
So let's talk about good business loads for these snubs.
I assume the best is Speer Gold Dot SB. What are you all using and having good results with? Haw about +P vs. standard pressure loads?
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Standard Pressure:

Federal 125gr Nyclad HP
Winchester 110gr Silvertip HP
Remington 110gr SJHP

+P:

CorBon 110gr DPX
Speer 135gr GDHP
Federal 158gr LHP
 
Best cartridges>>>Winchester Cowboy Action Loads 158gr. Lead Flat Nose code USA38CB.
 
In standard pressure, I personally prefer a heavy solid like a 158gr SWC or FMJ. If you feel you must have a hollow point, the Federal 125gr Nyclad already mentioned above is a great load.

In .38spl +P, I've tested Winchester 130gr PDX1 in gelatin and it achieved 12"+ penetration and perfect expansion, bare and through 2 layers of denim.
 
It's got pretty stout recoil for a light revolver like that but if you're not recoil sensitive, the Buffalo Bore 158 +P LSWCHP is at the top of my list. A legit 1000 fps with a 158 gr. soft lead bullet out of a 2" barrel. BB says it's perfectly safe in any +P rated gun.
 
Summer with light clothing any of the premium personal defense JHP's in 110 to 130gr by the major companies, Remington Winchester, Federal, CCI, or Hornady are a good choice. The old 158gr +P lead hollow point is a good old school bullet with a decent track record.

In the winter when an opponent is likely to be wearing heavy clothing the new Hornady critical defense is a good choice since the aoft polymer insert in the hollow prevents it from clogging up and ensures expansion.
 
I've got the Hornady Critical Defense and some Glaser Silvers.
Everyone will have their preferences.
Speer makes great ammo but to me they are the "go to" JHP bullets of the ammo industry. They are good, but I've seen them fail through a clothing barrier. The Critical Defense is bonded like the Speer but does not clog.
 
38 defense loads

Find out what the gun likes. We are having a rash of rabid skunks. The local authorities say to shoot them in the chest be cause they check the head. Most people who talk about defense dont consider skunks, dogs, snakes or other small targets. My s&w 637 is dead on out to 25 FEET with cast 125-130 grain solids. It throws a nice pattern with snake loads at 10 feet. l think you wont get expansion without losing penltraton out of a 38 snub. l think a SWC @ 6-900 fps will adjust most critters attitude.
 
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In .38spl +P, I've tested Winchester 130gr PDX1 in gelatin and it achieved 12"+ penetration and perfect expansion, bare and through 2 layers of denim.
Have you had or noticed any issue with expansion? Looking at what testing I could it seemed that across all calibers the DPX1 bullets have trouble expanding when hitting at lower velocities(out of short barreled firearms).

Here are two examples :
http://youtu.be/-VSb8_ClcVQ

and the "retest"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od1LgsHdLmc&feature=related
 
Through all the testing I have read about all the various 38 loads, I still use the +P LSWCHP in Federal or Remington guise. Winchester makes it too but I have never found any.
 
If you handload, consider a hard cast wadcutter at 900 fps.

In factory, consider some of the various wadcutter loads. Accurate, and dependable.
 
If you handload, consider a hard cast wadcutter at 900 fps.

In factory, consider some of the various wadcutter loads. Accurate, and dependable.
That is very good notion. I came to that conclusion after exposure to Webley & Scott revolver chambered for .38/200 (current offerings form Remi and Winnie are in 145gr range). Few realize that W&S ejector revolver was the best military sidearm of WWII era and there is very good reason for this. When folks buy 12-15oz revolver and a box of .357 or .38+P ammo I turn away and laugh.
 
I would suggest first trying out Remington's 158grain +P LSWCHP or speer's 135 grain +P short barrel. If one of these shoots to point of aim, stick with it.
 
There is a guy on St. Louis Craigslist selling 30 boxes of Hornaday Critical Defense for $10/box if you buy all of it........$15/ box otherwise.

Great price.

Just saw the ad a few minutes ago and don't own a 38. :)
 
From my perspective, the old FBI load - the +P 158 grn. LSWHP - simply has too good a track record to be ignored, and it is what I load in all of my .38/.357 revolvers.

That said, when recoil became an issue for me due to an injury, I found that the Federal Nyclad loads did well from my revolvers, so I went with those rounds for less recoil. Federal appears to be selling that load again, so it may prove a good option for your light LCR.
 
Standard Pressure:

Federal 125gr Nyclad HP
Winchester 110gr Silvertip HP
Remington 110gr SJHP

+P:

CorBon 110gr DPX
Speer 135gr GDHP
Federal 158gr LHP
+1

I have to agree with Photoman..
There are two schools of thought.. heavy and light..

The heavy bullets in a 2" gun will not expand, but they WILL Penetrate..

Light Bullets, moving as quick as you can push them, will expand (hopefully) but they lack the ability to penetrate deeply..

Pros of heavy bullets, they usually are loaded with powders and charge weights that do not produce much muzzle flash. They will penetrate heavy clothing better, or body mass..

Cons: however they are not much for delivering hydrostatic shock..

Pros of light and fast, They IF PUSHED FAST ENOUGH, generally considered to be 1000 FPS+, open up and produce hydrostatic shock.(not that easy in a 2" unless you really push the envelope). in the right place it will disable or disrupt the Central Nervous System more efficiently. The results of proper shot placement are instantaneous.. generally.. (NOTHING IN A GUNFIGHT IS GUARANTEED, NO TWO GUNSHOT WOUNDS ARE ALIKE !)

Personally I carry hand loaded ammo in the 110 range in my 2" revolvers.. Just because modern revolvers can handle the pressures, and SEMA (?) specs require commercial loaders and manufactures to load in pressure ranges that are safe to use in the oldest guns in that caliber, the .38 Special is a VERY OLD cartridge, developed in 1899..

Cons: Muzzle flash is usually discerning, unless it is a load specifically worked up for use in Short Barreled Pistols.. (they will use faster burning powders that will produce less flash at the muzzle.)
They do not penetrate heavy cover/clothing as well,

The loads listed by Photoman are all good to go...

However I personally would not use glazer safety slugs.. they are notorious for lack of penetration.. or what we referred to as "surface bursts" is is a really NASTY wound, and it sends tiny shot everywhere... it can be devastating, as long as it is not winter time, wearing heavy coats and clothes, or does not weight in at 300 lbs... but for a head shot, they are DRT.. (dead right there)

Midrange Match Wadcutters are also a good choice in 2" revolvers.. they cut clean wide nasty holes, they have very controllable recoil, they are accurate, they have little or no muzzle flash, they often tumble (solids or "double ended" are more likely that hollow based) when they are disrupted on the terminal end (after they hit what they are pointed at)

It depends upon your preferences, your environment, and your skill set and comfort level.. Heck I made a scene once where a guy fell instantaneously immediately dead when hit in the above the knee with a 22 short.. but that was the freak shot of the century.. (the bullet entered just inside and above the knee, he was seated. Later autopsy revealed that they bullet bounced off the bone, and entered his femoral artery, followed the path of least resistance, the artery right up into his heart.. he never knew what hit him.. Was a WW 22 short. fired out of a Clerk 1st revolver..)
 
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Hornady Critical Defense, .38 or .38+P. Oh, and one Critical Defense .357 for the last shot in my S&W 340PD.

The .38+P is manageable after practice, and the .357 isn't, but as the last shot in a crisis, let 'er rip. Go ahead and laugh, PabloJ.
 
There are two schools of thought.. heavy and light..

The heavy bullets in a 2" gun will not expand, but they WILL Penetrate..

Light Bullets, moving as quick as you can push them, will expand (hopefully) but they lack the ability to penetrate deeply..

True. And this is what led me to go back to Early-20th century E.K. technology: Heavy hollowpoints cast from a binary alloy. Once you ditch the antimony and cast them from a 25-to-1 (lead/tin) alloy, they WILL expand and penetrate at low velocities.

Don
 
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