sarduy
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i really dont like that round.The .45 GAP!
.40 recoil snap - any truth?
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As someone else mentioned. Shoot a few handguns and find out fwhat works for you. I've never had any problem with my Glock 23 or Kahr PM40. Neither does my 95 pound wife. But that's us. I think there are great benefits (stopping power wise) to the .40.
If the recoil bothers you buy an all steel handgun (for the weight) or a ported one or both. Everyone has there own tolerance levels to recoil. Find what works for you.
If the recoil bothers you buy an all steel handgun (for the weight) or a ported one or both. Everyone has there own tolerance levels to recoil. Find what works for you.
Probably because I shot .357 and .44 mags in my earlier days - I am not one to feel that the .40 is something that is too "snappy" to shoot...but I also don't want to shoot a .40 in a small pistol like a Kaher PM40 or small Keltec or small .45 ACPs for that matter.
I have a G22 and a Sig 229 in .40. It is relative to you experience, your tolerance, and the design of the pistol.
If you look at some recoil energy charts - you can see that with just about any of the pistol cartridges in 9mm, .40 and .45 ACP - by the time you mix and match type of pistol, barrel length, bullet type, weight, type of powder and amount of powder - you can pull recoil energy to within 1 lb. or less of recoil energy.
After you watch hickock shoot his favorite G23 pistol and hit 100 yard targets - it becomes generally evident that practice negates just about every detraction from a specific round.
I have a G22 and a Sig 229 in .40. It is relative to you experience, your tolerance, and the design of the pistol.
If you look at some recoil energy charts - you can see that with just about any of the pistol cartridges in 9mm, .40 and .45 ACP - by the time you mix and match type of pistol, barrel length, bullet type, weight, type of powder and amount of powder - you can pull recoil energy to within 1 lb. or less of recoil energy.
After you watch hickock shoot his favorite G23 pistol and hit 100 yard targets - it becomes generally evident that practice negates just about every detraction from a specific round.
I own a P944 Ruger & an XD-40. .40 is actually what I shoot the most of as far centerfire pistol goes. I tend to believe that the design of the individual pistol has as much to do with how it recoils as what caliber is shot out of it. I also own a Kel Tec P11 & have no desire to shoot .40 out of a pistol that size & weight though I would like to have a .40 in the G-27 size range.
stevereno1
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I carry a g-27. I'm past the recoil issue, and I doubt that I'd ever hear the report, let alone feel any recoil if I were ever in a defensive situation with this pistol. I'm a fan of the .40, and of the G-27.
I'll be the first to say I can't shoot my G27 as accurately as my other Glocks past 20 feet. But I think it's due to the length, more than anything (I also have the same problem with a 9mm conversion barrel installed). Presumably, that's also the reason I can't shoot my G19 as well as my G21 past 45 feet.
But I have no problem shooting it fast. The other day I was playing with timed targets, 3 seconds on, 5 seconds off, doing Mozambique drills from the low ready. Then I picked up my friends MkIII, and for the fun of it I did a mag dump, 10 rounds in 3 seconds, to the head. I thought of how awesome it would be if I could shoot my G27 that fast. But then I thought I'd never really tried. So I did. Low ready, target turns, I raise the sights onto target and hammer 9 shots into the center from 21 feet. The group was about the size of a fist. I heard the guy in the next lane complaining to his friend about the noise.
But I have no problem shooting it fast. The other day I was playing with timed targets, 3 seconds on, 5 seconds off, doing Mozambique drills from the low ready. Then I picked up my friends MkIII, and for the fun of it I did a mag dump, 10 rounds in 3 seconds, to the head. I thought of how awesome it would be if I could shoot my G27 that fast. But then I thought I'd never really tried. So I did. Low ready, target turns, I raise the sights onto target and hammer 9 shots into the center from 21 feet. The group was about the size of a fist. I heard the guy in the next lane complaining to his friend about the noise.
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stevereno1
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^^^ nice.
I wonder if that's because Glocks have a relatively fast twist rate for .40 S&W.
Confound it Gloob! You and your noisy, fancy fast shooting!
It's surprising how fast you can shoot something that supposedly has a bunch of recoil (if internet talk is to be believed) if you just put forth the effort. You just have to learn to work with its rhythm.
The .40 is very snappy. One of the reasons I thinned the heard to just 9mm and .45. The .40 in a light polymer package is often unpleasant to say the least. The .45 rolls more in your hand than anything else. The 9mm of course is very mild in most guns. Some like the PF9 are pretty stout. But I just don't think the .40 gives you anything over the 9mm or .45 to bother with the it.
JMHO.
JMHO.
glockky
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i honestly dont notice much recoil i have a g26 and my buddy has a 27 and we shot both and passed them back and forth and could not tell much difference at all until he loaded the 27 with some hydra shocks then the 27's recoil went up a little.
aryfrosty
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.40 Short & Weak.
Yessir, it's true. It isn't anything that can't be trained around so that you don't have your firing compromised.
Our agency went to .40s with Beretta 96D Centurions in 1993 or so because we wanted something with greta ballistics but with more mag capacity than the .45acp. Some Officers couldn 't get adjusted to Berettas so they traided them and got Sig P229s. It's a good round, but since I retired I don't own anything in that caliber. I still like the .45acp.
Yessir, it's true. It isn't anything that can't be trained around so that you don't have your firing compromised.
Our agency went to .40s with Beretta 96D Centurions in 1993 or so because we wanted something with greta ballistics but with more mag capacity than the .45acp. Some Officers couldn 't get adjusted to Berettas so they traided them and got Sig P229s. It's a good round, but since I retired I don't own anything in that caliber. I still like the .45acp.
MidwestRookie
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i haven't shot .45 yet, but to me, the .40 was FUN...
im a big guy so I wasn't worried about it blowing me out of my socks or anything, but compared to my 9's that I shoot the .40 was so much fun to shoot, even out of a polymer framed m&p..
i didn't notice anything that would make my shooting worse, in fact the box I shot of .40 (range's own reloads) I put them in a much better group than the first time I shot (factory) 9mm..
im a big guy so I wasn't worried about it blowing me out of my socks or anything, but compared to my 9's that I shoot the .40 was so much fun to shoot, even out of a polymer framed m&p..
i didn't notice anything that would make my shooting worse, in fact the box I shot of .40 (range's own reloads) I put them in a much better group than the first time I shot (factory) 9mm..
I was a died-in-the-wool revolver guy (mostly j- and l-frame Smith & Wessons), until last week when I went over to the dark side by acquiring a new G27, gen3. While I rented a lot of 9 mm's in the process of deciding on the G27, I'm really learning on the 40 cal platform, and, so far, it's working out fine and recoil/flip isn't a problem. It's sure a lot easier placing shots with the G27 than the S&W 642! Also, I got a 40/9 conversion barrel, so I've got the best of both worlds. Get the G27.
I think it's partly a matter of selection bias. Everyone has good days and bad days. People are more apt to share their good stories.
I wasn't even expecting to keep them all on the target. This was the first time I "hammered" without even trying to pick up a flash sight picture. My only thought was to shoot it as fast as I could and see what happens. And that was what happened. It was probably a fluke. But it was the last mag of ammo, so for now I'll hope it can be repeated!
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