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.410 for HD. Yes, I'm ducking

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Armor Snail, Sep 5, 2013.

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  1. deputy tom

    deputy tom Member

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    With 000 buck will this be a better HD solution than her 9mm that she can shoot like a laser?


    No. Keep the 9mm pistol. If she didn't suffer from shoulder problems then a .410 MIGHT be a good alternative. tom. :cool:
     
  2. WALKERs210

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    I carry one of the Public Defender Judge, while it will pattern very well using either #8 or HD rounds (2disc 3 buck) , and the 45 Colt is nothing to sneeze at. Biggest issue is the pistol needs to be held firmly because it does jump. For your wife the Pump .410 is great choice, my wife's first handgun that she picked out was a PT25. Not my choice but she was happy with it, for her birthday in June I bought her a 38Sp revolver. Think she liked it better than a $2000.00 necklace I got her for Christmas. Last trip to a major Gun shop in Hoover she picked up a new purse just because of the design that allow her pistol to be carried and very easily accessed.
     
  3. pikid89

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    While i usually take Rc's advice quite readily, I dont think I agree with the premise of the winchester pdx-1 .410 loads. The 3 discs are just strange and have the flight charachteristics of a cream pie thrown clown style, and the BBs packed in there are just too small to be of much good imo. The .410 is a good choice IF youre using traditional 000 buck or slugs. just my 2 cents
     
  4. Jaymo

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    I hate to disagree with a mod, but .410 from a shotgun barrel has muzzle energy on par with a .41 magnum. More than a .357 revolver.
    Plenty of power for HD. I think Lehigh Defense has .410 loads with .375" diameter lead round balls.
    .357 is great, but a .410 shotgun at close range is VERY deadly.
    The 5 pellet buckshot loads will put 5 000 pellets into a bad guy.
    My wife has the Mossberg HS410 and she loves it.
    Myself, well, my thumbs are too thick to load it quickly.
    That's why I have a 590. I pray we never need either.

    Even though the 18.5" barrel may have less energy than a longer barrel, you're still looking at good .357 energy with a heavier payload.
    I don't think any bad guys would notice that they weren't shot with a 12 gauge.
    They'd be too busy being dead.

    .410 doesn't get treated with the respect it deserves.
    My only problem with one is the fact that it doesn't pattern as well as a 32, 28, 20, 16, or 12 gauge, but that's purely a function of shot column length vs diameter.
    That's only an issue when hunting or shooting clay pigeons.
    Inside a house, it's a non-issue.
    I don't use the Winchester PDX loads in my wife's Mossy.
    I haven't heard anything to recommend me changing from buckshot.

    With all due respect to the mod. I respectfully disagree.
     
  5. Deltaboy1984

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    I would use it to defend my house.
     
  6. Mohawk

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    I had a famous gun builder come out to my house for a vacation some years ago. I'm retired and live in a fairly close neighborhood as the kids are grown and gone. My wife is 5 foot nothing and 105 soaking wet. This famous gunbuilder looked over my situation and told me he'd build me the absolutely, best weapon for my home defense.
    It is a Saiga with a 10 rd factory mag in 410 with an 8.5 inch barrel and a full choke(It shows a promag in the pic but I've moved away from them). It shoots Winchester XXX Buck just about perfect. With 5 38 cal lead balls that spread 3 inches at 30 feet. Recoil is very slight. It has a surefire LED mounted on the factory optic rail. I'm a lefty and it was made to work best for a lefty. I love this gun. The BATFE wait was almost 8 months for the stamp. Whenever I bring it too the range, it draws a nice crowd. Ammo is very expensive. especially the good stuff like Brown Bear metal. brass washed and Winchester XXX-000 Buck. I had problems using promags with the occasional jam on some ammos. Factory 10 round mags and the 4 rd mag have been flawless for me with approx 400 rds through the gun.
     

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  7. ugaarguy

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    Mr. Shirley never said anything about the energy of a .357 Mag from a carbine vs a .410 shot shell from a conventional shotgun. He said "better choice". Those pellets of 00 buck from a .410 shell may be fewer than the 00 buck pellets from a 12 gauge shotgun, but they're the same weight and shape, and going at the same velocity. That means your .410 with 00 buck loads will have the same over penetration on barriers that they do when fired from a 12 gauge shotgun. On the other hand, .357 Magnum cartridges are loaded with bullets designed to give deep penetration and controlled expansion at velocities attained from 3 to 6 inch barrel revolvers. When those same cartridges are fired from rifles they hit peak velocities from 16" barrels. Commercial .357 loads have a 40 to 50 percent increase in velocity when fired from a 16" bbl carbine vs. firing from a 4" bbl revolver. This increased velocity exceeds the design parameters and the bullets come apart much more quickly. In other words, when fired from a rifle medium to heavy construction .357 mag bullets start to behave like light to medium construction rifle bullets. Light construction rifle bullets pose even less barrier penetration risk than handgun bullets at handgun velocities. That's why he said it's a better choice.
     
  8. mooner

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    Yes indeed. 410 is just fine out of a shotgun.

    One thing I noticed is that people who are recoil sensitive tend to be smaller not as strong (not to make huge generalizations!). A 357 lever, while a very fine gun, can be a bit heavy. A 410 youth shotgun is lighter and less expensive than the 357. Just something to consider..
     
  9. Deltaboy1984

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    410 pump will get it done.
     
  10. Sam Cade

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    A marlin 1894C is 6 lbs. About the same as a 500 Bantam in .410 or a Colt 6720.
     
  11. Recruit

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    I'd duck for a 410 too!
     
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