.44 mag

[GpaMoose]

I was sure I had ordered 240gr LSWC. So I'm loading them with 21g H110 for use in my Taurus Tracker. For some reason I weigh the bullets, I was sent 200g LSWC. So now I have 100 rounds of 44 Mag 200g LSWC w/21g H110. Is this going to be safe? I find no load data for this load. Should I get out the bullet puller, or am I ok?

 

[Bullseye]

Generally a lighter bullet can take more powder underneath it so I would guess you have some potent 44 spl +P loads there or minimum 44 mags. Look at the loading data for the 200 gr and see where you stand?

 

[GpaMoose]

I think I have some light 44mag loads but I find no data for this load. I have heard that too light of a load can be as dangerous as too much. Thanks

 

[Bullseye]

However ... I just looked at my manuals and Hodgdon for cast bullet 200 gr data and don't see any for either 44 mag or 44 spl.

 

[GpaMoose]

Like the logo of the "Bulls Eye". Years ago I shot completive steel matches out in Mesa, AZ. I used a S&W 686 and used 38's w160g rdn and 5gr Bullseye.

 

[Bullseye]

How many did you load up? Maybe you should pull them and use another powder. The problem of getting a squib in your barrel is the concern of a light load. Do be careful.

 

[GpaMoose]

However ... I just looked at my manuals and Hodgdon for cast bullet 200 gr data and don't see any for either 44 mag or 44 spl.

 

[GpaMoose]

So do I scrap it and start over or go to the range?

 

[GpaMoose]

Yep, Rule no 1. Know your components. Well, time to get the bullet puller out and save as much powder as I can. Thanks. Hope you had a Merry Christmas

 

[Bullseye]

Like the logo of the "Bulls Eye".

Thanks, I stole this image out of an old 70's Shooters Bible with my camera. So if others steal it from me, I can't get upset now can I ?

I just loaded up a bunch of .357 cases with various 38 spl and 38 spl +P data and they worked out fine but I had load data for those.

 

[GpaMoose]

Yea, this is what I get when I assume I got what I ordered. I should know better.

 

[Bullseye]

Edit Added: I had some "hot" .357 loads on my hands one time and bought a puller since there were a couple hundred of them. I tossed the powder since I had no idea what it was, but resized my cases with the depriming pin out, flared my cases and loaded them right with the pulled bullets. Using cast might not work with a puller unless you use the impact hammer kind.

I always weigh one of my bullets before I start loading no matter what the box says.
Yeah, a little aggravation with pulling and starting over is a heck of a lot better than a damaged gun and even worse a damaged person. Welcome to THR. Merry Christmas to you too.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

In Lyman's 1973 Cast Bullet Handbook there is a 205 gr lead w/gas check load.
it does not list H110, but here are a few loads listed.
Herco 8.0 at 1185fps to 15.5 at 1495fps
2400 18.0 at 1195fps to 24.0c at 1500fps
IMR4227 19.0 at 1025fps to 26.0c at 1500fps

 

[Salmoneye]

The thing about W296/H110 (same powder) is that it wants to be almost on the ragged edge to burn consistently, and then only with a magnum primer...

21gr under a 200gr bullet in .44 mag is not 'dangerous' per se (IMNSHO), but it may give you wide spsreads in velocity, and the potential for incomplete ignition and a stuck bullet...

A stuck bullet IS a dangerous situation...

Here is the warning that used to accompany H110:

Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. In some cases it will lodge a bullet in the barrel, causing a hazardous situation (Barrel Obstruction). This may cause severe personal injury or death to users or bystanders. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%.

If it were me (and it aint), I'd pull the bullets and start over...

 

[GpaMoose]

The thing about W296/H110 (same powder) is that it wants to be almost on the ragged edge to burn consistently, and then only with a magnum primer...

21gr under a 200gr bullet in .44 mag is not 'dangerous' per se (IMNSHO), but it may give you wide spsreads in velocity, and the potential for incomplete ignition and a stuck bullet...

A stuck bullet IS a dangerous situation...

Here is the warning that used to accompany H110:

Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. In some cases it will lodge a bullet in the barrel, causing a hazardous situation (Barrel Obstruction). This may cause severe personal injury or death to users or bystanders. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%.

If it were me (and it aint), I'd pull the bullets and start over...

The thing about W296/H110 (same powder) is that it wants to be almost on the ragged edge to burn consistently, and then only with a magnum primer...

21gr under a 200gr bullet in .44 mag is not 'dangerous' per se (IMNSHO), but it may give you wide spsreads in velocity, and the potential for incomplete ignition and a stuck bullet...

A stuck bullet IS a dangerous situation...

Here is the warning that used to accompany H110:

Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. In some cases it will lodge a bullet in the barrel, causing a hazardous situation (Barrel Obstruction). This may cause severe personal injury or death to users or bystanders. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%.
That's what I'm going to do
If it were me (and it aint), I'd pull the bullets and start over...

 

[RealGun]

I was sure I had ordered 240gr LSWC. So I'm loading them with 21g H110 for use in my Taurus Tracker. For some reason I weigh the bullets, I was sent 200g LSWC. So now I have 100 rounds of 44 Mag 200g LSWC w/21g H110. Is this going to be safe? I find no load data for this load. Should I get out the bullet puller, or am I ok?

Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook shows a 200 gr load with H110. At 21.1 you are well under the minimum of 25.1 for a bullet hardness of 15. Pull 'em. And add this invaluable manual to your library. Note that your 21.1 for 240 gr is also lower than their 22.5 minimum for a hardness of 20.

 

[243winxb]

What primer was used? A magnum primer would be needed to even consider shooting them.

Note that a WLP would be the same as a mag primer. Win only makes one large primer, as does Rem.

I vote to pull them.

 

[.308 Norma]

The thing about W296/H110 (same powder) is that it wants to be almost on the ragged edge to burn consistently, and then only with a magnum primer...

21gr under a 200gr bullet in .44 mag is not 'dangerous' per se (IMNSHO), but it may give you wide spsreads in velocity, and the potential for incomplete ignition and a stuck bullet...

A stuck bullet IS a dangerous situation...

Here is the warning that used to accompany H110:

Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. In some cases it will lodge a bullet in the barrel, causing a hazardous situation (Barrel Obstruction). This may cause severe personal injury or death to users or bystanders. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%.

If it were me (and it aint), I'd pull the bullets and start over...

Yeah, I'd pull 'em and start over. And for the very reason that Salmoneye said, that W296/H110 "wants to be almost on the ragged edge to burn consistently" is why I quit using it years ago. I seldom shoot those kinds of loads in my handguns these days - my 69 year old elbows and my nerves don't like it when I do.

 

[Reloadron]

For the most part H-110 shows up quite a bit for the .44 Remington Magnum using jacketed bullets. For example a 200 grain Hornady HP XTP reflects 25.8 grains to 28.7 grains and for a 240 grain HP XTP 20.7 grains to 24.8 grains. If anything with a 200 grain LSWC I see the load as light but I wouldn't hesitate to try a few. That or start pulling 100 rounds of loaded ammunition. I am not sure why the H-110 powder is only more popular with the jacketed heavier bullets and jacketed bullets in general.

Ron

 

[GpaMoose]

For the most part H-110 shows up quite a bit for the .44 Remington Magnum using jacketed bullets. For example a 200 grain Hornady HP XTP reflects 25.8 grains to 28.7 grains and for a 240 grain HP XTP 20.7 grains to 24.8 grains. If anything with a 200 grain LSWC I see the load as light but I wouldn't hesitate to try a few. That or start pulling 100 rounds of loaded ammunition. I am not sure why the H-110 powder is only more popular with the jacketed heavier bullets and jacketed bullets in general.

Ron

Thanks

 

[CraigC]

Several grains too light. I'd definitely pull them.

 

[adcoch1]

Not kicking a dead horse here, but the results of using those has no good side and a lot of potential for disaster, so i would pull them. I tried some 200grn lead lasercasts at 22.5 grn of h110 on the advice of a, lets say, seasoned reloader for my carbine. It was a mess. Lots of unburnt powder, feet between point of impacts. Just a waste of components. So I pulled the rest and started the load a bit higher and got great results.