44 rem. Mag loads 200 grain jfp

[ohiobuck74]

I am looking for load data on 200 gr. Jfp Rainier 44mag loads
Has any one used CFE pistol
Herco, or tightgroup?
I also have 296 and h110 but all the data from several different manuals is conflicting pressures and minimum maximum loads.
Thanks

 

[Malamute]

I've long loaded 9 grs Unique as a medium level load with a 240-250 gr cast bullet. When I started loading 200 gr RNFP bullets I used the same charge as a very pleasant pistol load and really mild carbine load. Vel should be about 1050-1100 fps pistol, and maybe 1300-ish fps carbine. I've never chronographed them though. Jacketed may run slightly less velocity.

Thats all I've got. I've never run them any harder than that. I've used various brands interchangably, just whatever was available online. I dont think theres enough difference in various makers to worry about.

 

[ohiobuck74]

Thanks for the input

 

[BCRider]

Hodgdon makes the H110, Titegroup and CFE powders. So I'd suggest that you won't go wrong with their own data.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/

If you don't find the data on that exact bullet then go with any others that are jacketed and the same weight.

 

[gamestalker]

Unless they've added another bullet, according to Rainier's web site, they don't make a 200 gr. 44 cal. bullet. They only make two bullets in .429", those being a 240 gr. FP, and a 240 gr. HP.

Please verify the bullet weight before you begin charging those cases. Using data intended for a 200 gr. bullet, with a 240 gr. bullet, is a significant variation, excessive pressures could very likely result with CFE or Titegroup.

And with H110/296, even a start charge for a 200 gr. bullet would put you way over the top with a 240 gr. bullet, this would very likely result in a catastrophic event.

With CFE the start charge for a 200 gr. would be a max charge for a 240 gr..

A start charge with Titegroup wouldn't be as bad, but it would still put you close to max with the 240 gr..

I couldn't find any data for Herco.

 

[Sunray]

Rainiers are plated, not jacketed. Use any 200 grain cast bullet data. Mind you, like gamestalker says, there's no such bullet on their site.

 

[buck460XVR]

I know Rainier has discontinued several of it's most unpopular bullets weights temporarily to try and keep up demand for it's more popular weights......this may be the case of the 200 grainer. Even so, as GS suggests I'd verify the bullet weight before loading.

H110/W296 when used within the proper parameters would drive that plated bullet too fast and too hard. I would stick with Unique or any other powder that would keep velocities below 1200 fps.

 

[ohiobuck74]

Unless they've added another bullet, according to Rainier's web site, they don't make a 200 gr. 44 cal. bullet. They only make two bullets in .429", those being a 240 gr. FP, and a 240 gr. HP.

Please verify the bullet weight before you begin charging those cases. Using data intended for a 200 gr. bullet, with a 240 gr. bullet, is a significant variation, excessive pressures could very likely result with CFE or Titegroup.

And with H110/296, even a start charge for a 200 gr. bullet would put you way over the top with a 240 gr. bullet, this would very likely result in a catastrophic event.

With CFE the start charge for a 200 gr. would be a max charge for a 240 gr..

A start charge with Titegroup wouldn't be as bad, but it would still put you close to max with the 240 gr..

I couldn't find any data for Herco.

I just bought 500 rainier 200gr. From midway. They might be discontinued but I just got them today.
I did look at hodgdon 's data just curious if anyone had used them

 

[ohiobuck74]

I found Herco data in "modern reloading by Richard Lee " but that was the only place kinda suspicious. Lol

 

[ohiobuck74]

Thanks for everyone's info. Much appreciated

 

[gamestalker]

Bullet weight aside.

Midway makes a contradicting statement, in that, they claim was issued by Rainier, which is that, Rainier's should be loaded using lead data, and that they shouldn't be pushed over 1500 fps..

Rainier states that there is no need for adjustment when using jacketed data, and recommends using commercially published jacketed data. And further more, they state to use a starting charge between minimum and maximum jacketed data.

This type of misinformation could easily confuse a new reloader.

GS

 

[ohiobuck74]

Yes very true. Trying to get my ducks in a row here b4 I load these..

 

[ohiobuck74]

Hogdon gave me the same info on a phone conversation. Alot of misinformed information out there...

 

[Mad Chemist]

There is not a lot of info for it, but out of the powders you listed, Herco is probably the best one for the task. CFE would be my second choice. Save the H110/296 for true jacketed full throttle loads.

 

[ohiobuck74]

Kinda what I was thinking just like some more Herco info b4 I load them.

 

[ohiobuck74]

Anybody use herco for 44 Mag loads?

 

[buck460XVR]

If one wants to advoid confusion, I've found it's best to go drectly to the manufacturer and go with what they tell you. From Rainier's website......

Load Data

Rainier recommends using commercially published jacketed bullet load data when loading our bullets. There is no need for adjustment when using jacketed bullet load data. Our bullets are jacketed using an electroplating process and are softer than traditionally jacketed bullets. Be sure to use only load data that is published in a reputable reloading manual.

We recommend a starting powder charge directly between the listed minimum and maximum load.

A slight roll or taper crimp may be used with our bullets. Over-crimping plated bullets may result in decreased accuracy, and fragmentation of copper plating.

Q3. Do your bullets have any velocity restrictions?

A. In general, our bullets typically perform their best when shot at velocities no greater than 1,200 to 1,250 Feet per second (FPS).

As I said before. I would use any powder that will give you velocities less than 1200 fps, when used at an appropriate powder charge.

 

[Float Pilot]

I have used 9 or 10 grains of HERCO with 200 grain cast SWCs. It makes a good mid-power light recoiling load.

I also recently tried some loads with CFE Pistol ( the only can of it anyone has seen around here. I settled on 12 grains as a max-load for some 216 grain SWC with gas checks. I was getting 1,285 fps from my 6.5 inch model 29 S&W.
I was not impressed by the accuracy.

9.0 grains of Titegroup with the same bullet gave me around 1,200 fps and a super nice group at 25 yards from the same revolver.

I have some 200 grain full wadcutter- Hollow Base slugs that really like light loads of Titegroup.