.44 vs the big/bad .454

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Hey Guys,
I have got a question for you experienced big bore shooters. I have been doing a lot of reading about the .454 in a Ruger SRH. I already own a 629 S&W MG that I love to shoot. My question is, is the recoil and the power of the .454 really that much more impressive than the .44MAG? Because, that is what I am looking for. Impressive power, big kick and fire breathing muzzle flash. I really love shooting the .44MAG at the indoor range, it really draws some attention. How much more impressed could I be with the .454? Thanks for the input.:cool:
 
I haven't shot a Ruger 454 but I have shot a Freedom Arms 454 in addition to many Mod 29 Smith 44s. The 454 is probably double the pleasure of a 44 Magnum to my seat of the pants reckoning, i.e., kicks twice as hard.
 
BigG,
Thanks for the reply. That is the kind of info I am looking for. My indoor range allows pistol calibers so I am playing by those rules. Everytime I see the .44 blast blow stuff around on the range floor I get a smile on my face. I was just wondering if the .454 would give me a real big smile.:D
 
Last time I went shooting with a friend from MI (along with another friend), I brought along a bunch of stuff. this included a Ruger Super Redhawk in .44 mag and a Freedom Arms (pre 83) .454 C. When the time came to shoot these two, he had never shot anything bigger than 9 mm, we started off with the .44 mag. Very impressed. Lot of power and recoil, was all over the target ~25 ft away. We them moved onto the .454. His first round was not very good as he was not holding the grip (two handed) just right. His weak hand slightly cupped the bottom. As the round went off, the corner of the grip really dug into his palm. (Later related his hand was hurting the following week.) Despite this we continued. The gun was a serious handful for him. (All of us laughing are asses off at his poor performance.) The gun was recoiling past 90° but he kept his elbow locked plus he is corss eye dominant so he never hit his head. He never hit the target once but he was taking out the biggests divits I've ever seen around it though.

Now there is also the difference between the double action and the single in that the Ruger had it regular rubber grips and the FA had the rosewood and the grip shapes and angles. But, IMO, I think the effect would have been the same if the grip and its materials were the same.
 
No question that the .454 packs a lot more power, but with the right .44 you can use +P rounds that generate up to 1400 fpe. That makes an impressive handful too. :)

--Bob Q
 
Revolver freak that I am, .454 Casull, .480 Ruger, .500 S&W Magnum, and the Linebaughs hold very little fascination for me.

Call me crazy, but if .44 Magnum won't do the job, maybe I shouldn't have been shooting at it with a pistol in the first place. :uhoh:
 
The .454 and the .44 mag are in two totally different leagues. Those were my exact words the first time I ever shot a .454. I own several .44 Mags and I own a .45 Colt Ruger which I have loaded up to the hilt but the first time I fired a Redhawk I said, "This is a whole different League".
I have never looked at it from the prospective of trying to impress other people with the blast or noise; never gave it a thought.
I would be much more impressed by someone that coulld put all their rounds in a tight group than someone that was just making noise. I have shot a few times on an indoor range. Most of the shooting I saw there was someone shooting a silhouette target that was four feet tall at about three yards and getting hits in every corner. There was nothing they could have been shooting that would have impressed me.
 
From what I've read, of all the ones you listed, the .480 Ruger is the closest to the .44 mag recoil wise, but out-preforms it by a wide margin!!
I agree, while I never fired them, the .454 casull, and the other "larger bores" have to be a handfull, yet alone keep on target when shooting them!!
I agree with the .44 mag views, but I'd be willing to go the .480 Ruger route in a custom single action some day though!!
;)
 
When a shooting range (particularly an indoor one) has a limit requiring "handgun cartridges" they may not have something like a .454 in mind. If your powerhouse is beating up their backstop and the noise and flash is bothering other shooters they may tell you where you and the "big-banger" can go.

Personally, I find group-size on the target to be more meaningful then muzzle flash and blast. But too each his own .....
 
A .44 with a non-expanding hardcast bullet will shoot through an elk. The .454 makes a slightly (.022") bigger hole, also shoots through elk, and kicks twice as hard.

Me? I bought a .480 Ruger SRH. Easy to switch between scopes and iron sights, shoots through elk, and makes bigger holes than either one.:D
 
I, too, have a 629 MG (.44M), which I bought several years after acquiring my 'first' DA revolver - a SRH in .454. I bought the SRH because of it's ergonomics, engineering, material selection, and, very important to me, it's ability to use .45 Colts, my favorite round. The SRH looked and felt better, to me, than the Redhawk in .45 - and was about the same weight. I have shot thousands of .45 Colts through it - and, after careful chamber cleaniing, ~300 .454's. I love the ~10:1 KE range this revolver affords - 200ft-lb 'Cowboy' loads in .45 Colt up to what even the Tremor's character 'Burt Gummer' would appreciate.

Admittedly, I have not stoked either of my MG's, a 625 .45 Colt or the 629 .44M, too hot at all. I have noted the expected muzzle flip and enhanced thump of the .44M with ~960fps 240gr FP. I expect even mediocre .44M's would be more troublesome, perhaps further enhanced by the nice feeling but poor recoil absorbing wood grips my MG's wear. By comparison, the SRH stoked with .45 Colts is easy to keep on target - very little felt recoil. The local indoor range I used closed before I bought a .44.

I did fire my SRH .454 indoors - several times. the muzzle/cylinder-forcing cone flashes were huge. In fact, I had to stand centered to keep from leaving the booth's sound deadening smoldering. With plugs & muffs, the sound was still painful. It drew attention... and did a number on the absorbing barrels. That indoor range also had a few 44yd rifle ranges - I did test it's grouping their. The best I got, with Hornady XTP's 240gr (rated at 2,000 fps = 2130 ft-lb), was 1.5" group for 5 of 6 shot. I keep a 2x28mm Weaver H2 atop it for .454's - a HiViz front sight for .45 Colt open sight use.

Outdoors, it is not an attention getter, as I shoot it at the rifle range only - and short barreled & braked AR's seem a lot louder. It is much more accurate and consistent with .454's than with with .45 Colts - especially 'Cowboy' loads. Recoil is less painful than the full-house .44M's I shot in a wood-gripped 29 I shot a quarter of a century ago - I blistered & popped after three rounds then. Your grip in the SRH is higher - closer to the barrel's line-of-action - resulting in less flip and more 'thump' down your wrist & arm. The Magnum Research .45-70 BFR I shot a week or so back was milder - it had 405gr .45-70 Govt rounds aboard. The BFR must weigh in at twice that SRH's weight, perhaps why I was 'tired' afterwards!

I would buy another one - of course. You must understand - I originally rationalized that it was a dual-use (.45 Colt) firearm - testosterone tester as well as .45 Colt plinker. I don't hunt, but it would be overkill for anythin in Alabama - probably most of North America. Of course, their was a fellow sighting in his Ruger #1 in .458 Lott at the range - he was going after white tails...

Stainz

PS An older gentleman brought his new S&W 500 to the range - shot a box and left - still able to carry a range bag in each hand. You want recoil? That was recoil! Of course ~$4/round - and nothing else fits....
 
I like the concept of the 454...especially the fact that you can download it for 45 LC.
 
The 454 is just an also ran now. The Current King of Big Bad Thumpers is the 500 SW magnum. If you really must have the biggest bang...
 
The indoor range I frequent has a 44 mag in their rental case. When we tried to inaugurate a buddy's 454 SRH, it took all of 2 rounds before the owner called us out & told us not to shoot that gun in his range anymore. But one of the 2 shots I got to shoot. That round (IMO) is all kick & very little grin!
 
The Ruger 454 isn't really that tough in recoil in comparision to a stout loaded .429 Magnum and somewhat less felt recoil than Freedom Arms in the same caliber
 
Slow has made one of the points I was thinkin of ...... the .454 is not in fact as punishing as reputation would have it. We had a small THR shoot this Sunday gone and everyone (I think) had a coupla shots with my Raging Bull (or Raging Lunatic as Mike irwin has christened it!! :D ).

The ammo was Winchester 250 grain .... and I am sure that my other load.... Hornady 300 grain will probably ''shout a bit louder''. It is manageable tho and from a hunting POV ... you are only gonna fire the odd shot here and there ... not a cal to ''plink'' with IMO.

OTOH ... the .44 mag .... well, the loads I had this weekend in the SRH 9 1/2" were below max .... but I plan to cast and load soon using a 300 grain for that .... Keith gas check SWC .... that, with a ''generous'' but safe charge will most likely be feeling very little different from the .454.

I maybe on balance would find the high load .44 mags in the SRH well adequate but ... the ''Bull'' does have its appeal. :evil:

I just may have to try a S&W 500 ..... Hmmmm .......



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