45 ACP defence rounds?

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I'm trying to decide between a few different defence rounds. They will be used for carry, and I was hoping you guys could help me out. I've done tones of reading and I like all of these but I only need one lol.

Here's my list:
Winchester Ranger
Federal HydraShock
Federal HST
Speer Gold Dot LE
 
I carry Federal 230-gr HSTs or Tactical Bonded.
Wouldn't feel at all uncomfortable carrying any of the rounds you mentioned, although the HydraShoks have a reputation for being plugged with heavy clothing (which is why I switched to HSTs).
 
Buy some of each and test them in the gun you intend to carry. You can't choose a carry round by research alone. You need to test for reliability in your carry gun and Point of Aim vs. Point of Impact. I won't carry ammo until it has had at a minimum of 200 rounds through the weapon, and I prefer more like 400-500.
 
I actually bought a box of each of the following

Winchester Ranger SXT 230 grain .45 ACP +P (50 rounds)
Federal Hydrashock 230 grain .45 ACP (20 rounds)
Remington Golden Saber 230 grain .45 ACP (20 rounds)
Hornady Tap 230 grain .45 ACP (20 rounds)

I fired 5 rounds of each in my (4) .45 handguns (Kimber Eclipse, 2 HK USP Compacts, Glock 30). They all worked great. I'm probably leaning more toward the Winchester Ranger SXT +P. They all worked great but Ranger SXT's come 50 in a box for the same price as 20 of the others.

The next ammo that I'd like to try is the Winchester Ranger T. That's the newest version of the Ranger SXT.
 
Where did you get the Ranger SXT? I've been trying to find them but gave up after a long week of looking. I did find a couple sites but they're on back order till late July. I too have a Kimber Eclipse (custom 2) that will be my carry gun. I'm taking the class next week. Thanks for the replies so far.
 
I use Federal HST +P 230 grain. It is a stout load (230 grains @ ~990 FPS), but expands very nicely to nearly an inch in water and gelatin. It has a wide hollow point cavity opening though, and I've heard of and seen issues feeding in different guns. My Colt 1911 XSE has about a 5% failure rate on it in limited testing and my buddy's XD45 chokes about once per mag on it. My HK45c feeds it with no problem.
 
I carry Federal HST's in both G30 and 1911. They do quite well. Slow moving and expand to over 3/4" in diameter with great weight retention.
 
They will all do the job. Put one of each in a bag,reach in, pull one out, use that one. Pratice,practice,practice. The best bullet in the world is useless if it doesn't hit the target.
 
Dan-O, check out DoubleTaps' .45 ACP 185 grain round, which travels at roughly the same speed of the PB 165 grain .45! Which'd be roughly 1225 fps out of a 5" barrel:

.45ACP 185gr Speer Gold Dot JHP 50rds. $29.95

The fastest 185gr loading on the market! All in a package that is just shy of a +p rating!

Caliber : .45ACP

Bullet : 185gr. Speer Gold Dot JHP

Ballistics : 1225fps - 616 ft./lbs. - 5" 1911

Box of 50rds.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=93

I'd like to see Mike McNett at DoubleTap get ahold of more kinds of bullets he can load up! :)

The FPS and ft. lbs. is nice to see on the 185 gr. .45 ACP, but check out DoubleTaps' ballistics tests on gel:

DoubleTap .45ACP

185gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1225fps - 12.75" / .82"
200gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.25" / .88"
230gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1010fps - 15.25" / .95"


It seems their 230 grain round is awesome in gel, even with only 1010 fps! Traveled 15.25" in gel, and expanded close to an inch! That's pretty darn good, I say! That from a 5" barrel 1911, I believe.
 
Greenman

All are good and will do the job. Shot placement is the key. I use Speer Gold Dot. It functioned quite well in the three unfortunate times that I was forced to use it.
 
Out of curiosity, can you give us details (if okay to) about what happened when you hit whatever you hit, and where you hit it?

I know shot placement is key with any bullet, (even a .22 is better to the head or chest than a .44 Magnum to the foot)... but a more powerful bullet is always 'nicer' to have when shot placement is equal for both rounds! ;)

So, what happened, if you don't mind me asking? :eek:

P.S. don't worry, I know there's no such thing as "the magic bullet" that supposedly drops a guy to the floor in an instant. It mainly has to do with their mental state of mind, if you hit an extremely vital organ and/or artery vein, the brain, etc. etc. And how many times.
 
IMO, the single most important factor is absolute functional reliability in your pistol. The only way this can be established is by DIY testing. A widely accepted Rule of Thumb is at least 200 rds with zero malfs before any given load should be considered trustworthy for SD use.

Given the technological advances in projectile design and fabrication we have now it's tough to find a premium purpose-made defensive bullet from the major ammo makers which won't expand reliably under most circumstances. As was said, there are no "magic" bullets, but given proper placement the stuff we have now is the most effective we've ever had in any handgun ammo regardless of caliber.

While I'm a follower of the "Bigger Holes and More Mass are Better" school of thought I'm not a fanatic about it. If it turns out that a 165 or 185 gr. load is markedly more accurate or just makes it easier for me to make multiple hits faster and with consistently better precision than with a 200-230 gr. in a given weapon it goes to the front of the line, generally speaking.

Again just MO, but having POA and POI coincide is next. Once you pick a load I'd strongly suggest that taking whatever steps may be needed to regulate the sights on your weapon to do that for you at the distance you consider optimum be a high priority task.

Buy a box each of a couple of your candidates. See if one works better in your pistol. If they both give 100% reliable function, use whichever is more accurate. If that's a toss-up, pick the one that's easiest to get in your area.

As you gain experience and familiarity with your pistol you'll likely develop some personal criteria for defining what's best for you. Trying different brands and loads as money and time allow is the best way I know of to find out what that is.
 
^ I agree with you 100%! ^

All things being equally considered: I just go for the more powerful bullet; an edge in a life and death situation... is still an edge that could make a huge difference! I will take all I can get... as long as it shoots accurately and reliably, of course! :D
 
Corbon's stuff is the best as far as I'm concerned. I like their PowRBall a lot as the polymer capped design makes them significantly better at feeding than most conventional open nose JHP's. I highly recommend the PowRBall. It's what I use in any of my self defense handguns. Also, the Corbon DPX is nice as well and seems to perform excellent, judging by the few tests I've seen of them.
 
I just bought some older Black Talons I am going to try out with my new 6" barrel in my Glock mdl 21. I like the Golden Sabre Remington round. I was looking for those Taurus copper bullets. It seems they are no where to be found, sold out and no more coming in as of this date and time.

It is true hard to beat the Corbon stuff, I have quite a bit of that in 400 Corbon 135 grain and the 165 grain nasty nasty. But the new hot +p in the 230 grain 45 acp, is a man stopper I would think:uhoh:
 
No round is absolute. Find what feeds best and shoots best in your gun. Be it Super Stopper Explosive Hollowpoint or FMJ or anything in between.

I've seen stock GI 1911s that would only feed FMJ and those that will feed about anything. Many can't shoot well enough to see a difference in accuracy.
 
Good .45acp loads...

If I had a well made .45acp pistol, I'd use either the Speer Gold Dot 200gr JHP, bonded or the Winchester Ranger T series 230gr JHP +P. The Remington Golden Saber 230gr JHP bonded/+P would work too, :D.
Corbon, DoubleTap and the TAP .45acp rounds from Hornady would be picked if the other brands were not available.

Rusty

PS: For spare mags/reloads, I'd use a high quality 230gr FMJ load from a major brand or the Corbon PowRball or Federal EFMJ round in .45acp.
 
Have To Agree!

Dan-O, check out DoubleTaps' .45 ACP 185 grain round, which travels at roughly the same speed of the PB 165 grain .45! Which'd be roughly 1225 fps out of a 5" barrel...

I was a fan of the DT 165 grain, as the ballistics were 10 mm-like, in a fast and frangible round--which I like in an urban setting. But it's discontinued, and I've since moved on to these little 185 grain gems for HD/SD!

Note: Everything I've read on Corbon's Pow'r Ball stuff has been outstanding.

--Ray
 
My SIG P220 is loaded with DT's 230gr gold dots. I have tried various wieghts in this pistol and find it is most accurate with the heavy end of the spectrum.
 
my Kimber TLE II is loaded with 230 gr FMJ rounds by federal. Yeah yeah I know I should buy better ammunition for it. I haven't had the time and until I get the chance to I'm banking on the notion that if its good enough to kill Germans, its good enough for me. Alright I'm honestly joking around, though I don't feel at all inadequate with the fact that my gun has fmj's. Those suckers are big and will just have to do till I get a chance to buy some serious ammunition.
 
I have Federal 180grn hollow points,Rem.Golden Sabres 230grn hollow points,Rem 230grn jacketed soft-points(among others) but I carry 230grn FMJ in 4 mags.
 
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