45 ACP Small Primer

[Vacek]

I have about 200 45 ACP cases with small primer holes. Any experience/issues with reloading these puppies?

 

[ColtPythonElite]

No experience other than accidentally buying some loaded rounds with them and getting the small primed empties mixed in with the regular stuff. Makes for a major pain when reloading....Other than that the ones I bought shot just fine.

 

[altitude_19]

Don't know anybody who has reloading data for that animal.
I asked a guy (probably a cop) at the range if he was going to keep his 45 casings once. He handed over 50 with a smile on his face. Later, I figured out why he was smiling...they were all "non-toxic" cop training ammo with that stupid small pistol primer. He probably gives away a hundred a week just to screw with guys like me for a laugh. What does the headstamp say? "Win NT" I'm guessing?

 

[jcwit]

Use small primers and regular load data, I've done it, no problem. Keep them seperate, gives you another option if there's another shortage in the future.

Theres other calibers with the same issue, 7.62 x 39 comes to mind for one.

 

[altitude_19]

Have you chrony'd those to see if there's any performance difference?

 

[Canuck-IL]

I got an average of 5% lower muzzle velocity with sp when using known loads of 3 different powders ... all the tested primers were Win and the cases were Win NT; powders were Bullseye, Ba-10 and Titegroup.
/Bryan

 

[altitude_19]

INNNNNNTERESTING.... Now I kinda regret having crushed and discarded all the Win NT I've ever found. I'll have to start saving them....

 

[hAkron]

I think Blazer Brass .45 are all small pistol primer as well. It's a real PITA if you reload range pickups because you have to be very careful not to get them mixed up with your regular .45's.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

There's no reason to discard them. The only difference is the primer size, load data remains the same. .45 ACP brass is too expensive to throw away!!

 

[918v]

Aren't LP primers stronger than SP?

 

[rscalzo]

Blazer Brass .45 are all small pistol primer as well

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No, it.s not. Seems any od the "clean" rounds use the SP primers similar to the WW line of clean ammo.

I don't find enough to warrent keeping them separate from the rest of my 45 brass.

 

[Quoheleth]

No, SOME Blaser is small primer. Can't speak to ALL Blaser brass.

I have about a half-dozen I picked up one afternoon. Since that's all I have, I tossed it in the scrap bucket. I just walked out to check - yep, Blaser.

Q

 

[ReloaderFred]

This topic comes up about every 3 or 4 weeks. Just load and shoot. Repeat as necessary.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[918v]

I have some small PP Blazer brass. I loaded it up just now to test this weekend.

 

[Irish Bird Dog]

info on small pistol primer size .45ACP Blazer Brass
scroll to bottom of this page and read UP to get the story.....

Note: Olin sent an attachment at bottom of page but I can't get it to open here. Anyway, the Last Paragraph of page 1 from the attachment had the data on SP primer size .45ACP CCI Blazer brass. It basically said it was OK to reload CCI Blazer Brass Cases with the small pistol (SP) primer pocket. They referenced the SPEER Reloading Manual #14.





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Sorry, I forgot the attachment. LO


Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501

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Mr.

Thank you for your email.
Yes, these Speer/Blazer 45 brass cases with small primer pockets are
reloadable. Use a CCI 500 Small pistol primer. I have attached our
Speer load data. The text of the attachment briefly addresses this
issue. Linda


Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501


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I was told by a fellow shooter that he has some CCI brass cases (not
aluminum) in .45 ACP that have SMALL primer pockets ie for maybe small
pistol (SP)primers vs LP (large pistol) primers. Can you explain why?
Since .45ACP brass uses LP primers. Are they reloadable with standard
small pistol primers?????

45 Auto (4).pdf
577K View Download

 

[UniversalFrost]

i load federal and speer cases with the small primers to the same loads as with large primers.

For me it is easier to not have to switch over the 550B and also allows me to only have to worry about stocking up on small primers (still have a small stock of large primers and brass).

Also, when buying range brass on the boards I specifically ask for the small primer brass and usually get a discount on it sine most folks prefer the large primer stuff... For me it all shoots the same and loads the same.

So now that I said all this i take it all back and say only buy large primer stuff because the small primer stuff makes your life too simple and you wont experience the joys of not having to keep up 2 seperate primer stocks and priming setups.

 

[okespe04]

Ugh.... Toss them

 

[Knight Diver]

I've reloaded the small primer brass in 45acp and see no difference from the same loads with large primers when I chrony them. Seem ok to me!

 

[The Bushmaster]

okespe04...Next time you have the urge to "Ugh.... Toss them". Instead put them in a box or strong envelope and send them to me...I have no problem reloading them. I have also chronograghed them and found that they are only 25 fps +/- a few slower then those with large pockets.

 

[1KPerDay]

The reloading editor for Shooting Times did a piece on this a few months ago if you want to look it up. FYI

I think he found the SP cases were a tad more accurate in his guns.