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Besides the Alaskan Takedown, are there any other lever action rifles that are chambered for .45 Colt and can shoot high pressure loads? I know the Rossi 92's don't.
.45 Colt +P Lever Actions?
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why cant the R92?.. its a pretty strong action that can fire 44 mag and .454 casull these both have more pressure and greater bolt thrust than a hot 45lc
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That's what Rossi says on their website. If any handloads or factory .45 Colt with pressures above the standard 14000 are used, it voids the warranty.
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simple solution, buy a .454 casull model which can take 45 colt as well and load them as hot as you want
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.45 Colt's don't feed in the .454 Casull model. 
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it should feed into a 454 just fine.. the 45lc marlin 1894 will take buffalo bore +P ammo
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There's difference between saying it voids the warranty and the gun not being able to handle the ammunition.
You will stop having fun with the metal butt plate long before you reach the guns limit.
No company will tell you +P 45 Colt is ok as there is no SAAMI spec for it. I might point out that Ruger tells you no also.
Marlin 1894 will good luck finding one though and there's no reason a 454 shouldn't feed 45 Colt just fine, just make sure you clean the carbon ring afterwards before firing 454s
Marlin 1894 will good luck finding one though and there's no reason a 454 shouldn't feed 45 Colt just fine, just make sure you clean the carbon ring afterwards before firing 454s
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Yes they do. My SIL's gets fed the "Ruger only" stuff all the time. And, yes, the .45 colt is a short .454, so the .454 will be an option.
Scan down to the handgun cartridge chart on this SAAMI spec chart and you'll find "Ruger Only" .45 Colt...25,000 CUP. Yes, SAAMI does recognize this pressure standard.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/saami_pressures.htm
This is the actual SAAMI chart from SAAMI website and 45Colt+P isn't there.
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/specifications/Velocity_Pressure_CfPR.pdf
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/specifications/Velocity_Pressure_CfPR.pdf
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As stated, there is no official pressure data for a 45 Colt +P load. There is for 38 Special +P, but not 45 Colt. So no manufacturer is going to recommend firing ammunition that has no standards.
The 1892 Winchester action that the Rossi is based on is a very strong action. It can easily handle heavy loads. Not so with any of the toggle link actions; 1860 Henry, 1866 Winchester, 1873 Winchester. Don't try heavy loads in them.
As stated, there is no official pressure data for a 45 Colt +P load. There is for 38 Special +P, but not 45 Colt. So no manufacturer is going to recommend firing ammunition that has no standards.
The 1892 Winchester action that the Rossi is based on is a very strong action. It can easily handle heavy loads. Not so with any of the toggle link actions; 1860 Henry, 1866 Winchester, 1873 Winchester. Don't try heavy loads in them.
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Have several Rossi Model 92 45 Colts. They have all been fed loads are in the vicinity of 44 Mag loads. No problems, no damage and no headspace problems.
Have fired up to 300 grainers using 44 mag loading info. The 45 Colt case is a bit more in diameter than the 44 Mag so pressure is a bit less but I am sure far surpasses that Colt +P pressure.
The listed Ruger-Contender only loads are mild in a Rossi and are listed as 25,000 cup.
If you do a little reading in most firearm warranties you will notice that the use of any reloaded ammo invalidates the warrantee. So you might as well load what you want that is a safe load and enjoy your rifle.
So fear not. The Rossi rifles are built with good modern steels in a solid Browning design that safely holds together with the 454 Casull and the 480 Ruger rounds.
Mike in Peru
Have several Rossi Model 92 45 Colts. They have all been fed loads are in the vicinity of 44 Mag loads. No problems, no damage and no headspace problems.
Have fired up to 300 grainers using 44 mag loading info. The 45 Colt case is a bit more in diameter than the 44 Mag so pressure is a bit less but I am sure far surpasses that Colt +P pressure.
The listed Ruger-Contender only loads are mild in a Rossi and are listed as 25,000 cup.
If you do a little reading in most firearm warranties you will notice that the use of any reloaded ammo invalidates the warrantee. So you might as well load what you want that is a safe load and enjoy your rifle.
So fear not. The Rossi rifles are built with good modern steels in a solid Browning design that safely holds together with the 454 Casull and the 480 Ruger rounds.
Mike in Peru
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Thanks for the input gentleman, I have more confidence in the Rossi 92's now. I really just wanted some information now in case I decide to get a .45 levergun in the future.
Are the Winchester 1892 actions the only ones able to handle hot .45 Colt loads or are their others that can too?
Are the Winchester 1892 actions the only ones able to handle hot .45 Colt loads or are their others that can too?
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this reminds me that i really need to get an R92 in 44 mag so i have something i can fire 44 specials through.. i wouldve gotten a marlin until remington took over and remington quite frankly is a company i have ZERO faith in not to cut too many corners as they have with their shotguns
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The Rossi can handle more than just downloading "black powder" equivalent loads. It can handle the hotter loads with no issues. But can your shoulder. Its a light rifle. I load mine in the middle. I like my rifle and I like my face. Don't want to overwork either one. Most would agree that the Rossi is a strong action. I don't think Rossi's mods for the 454 had to do with the action. I think they modified the tube mag to handle the recoil and not much more.
Marlins now made at the Remington plant in Ilion NY are now made as good if not better than the ones made in CT. Why you ask, because the tooling from Marlin was older than the hills and had been sabotaged upon shipment from CT to NY. This has been worked out and the tooling updated. The new ones are the market are better than their original attempts at making them. Go to any store and check out a new Marlin. The fit and finish is first rate.
Marlins now made at the Remington plant in Ilion NY are now made as good if not better than the ones made in CT. Why you ask, because the tooling from Marlin was older than the hills and had been sabotaged upon shipment from CT to NY. This has been worked out and the tooling updated. The new ones are the market are better than their original attempts at making them. Go to any store and check out a new Marlin. The fit and finish is first rate.
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For a little more info, I'm not planning on shooting only hot .45 Colt in the lever gun, my philosophy is something that can give standard .45 Colt a bit more velocity and power, but also a rifle that can be stepped up to .44 Mag power with hot loaded .45 Colt in case I want to use it for deer or larger game or to fend off a bear with.
At most, I would probably shoot 50 rounds of hot .45 Colt in the gun a year and it would only be factory loaded ammo.
I would go with a .454 Rossi 92, but the reviews I've read have stated its feeding of .45 Colt is unreliable. Now, that could just be specific to those guns in the reviews, but I don't need a .454 nor do I care to experiment with its feeding of .45 Colt.
As for the Rossi 92's, are there replacement sights readily available for them?
At most, I would probably shoot 50 rounds of hot .45 Colt in the gun a year and it would only be factory loaded ammo.
I would go with a .454 Rossi 92, but the reviews I've read have stated its feeding of .45 Colt is unreliable. Now, that could just be specific to those guns in the reviews, but I don't need a .454 nor do I care to experiment with its feeding of .45 Colt.
As for the Rossi 92's, are there replacement sights readily available for them?
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Steve's Gunz and Skinner make replacement peep sights. Also some models, the 24" octagonal barrel, come drilled and tapped for tang sights. The other models can be drilled and tapped for a tang sight.
dh1633pm
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You don't have to load 454 to full power.
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I'm a huge fan of the Rossi carbines. Mines a 16" stainless steel beauty of a deer rifle in 44mag.
That metal butt plate sure does beat you up after awhile with heavy loads
That metal butt plate sure does beat you up after awhile with heavy loads
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"I know the Rossi 92's don't."
Yes they do......
Yes they do......
Tommygunn
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+1.
I have a Browning B-92 in .44 mag, a Winchester 1892 in .32-20, a Rossi "Ranch Hand" in .357 magum (a silly repro of Josh Randal's [Steve McQueen] Mare's Leg from his old western) and a newer Rossi R92 in .45Colt.
Twenty years ago I saw Rossi leverguns and disdained them as the interiors looked like they'd been carved by a drunk Gorilla with a broken chisel, but the New Ross 92 I have is a world better than that and I do believe that should I wish to run heavy loaded .45s through it the Browning-designed action will hold up very well.
The new Rossis I've seen are not as beautifully made as the Miroku made guns, but they nevertheless are a universe better than 20 years ago and are now fine guns.
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The 1892, being the 1886's baby brother, is the strongest pistol cartridge levergun action available. The Rossi (and all iterations), Browning and late model Winchester 1892's are not only plenty strong for "Ruger only" loads but are safe to 50,000psi. The Marlin 1894 to 40,000psi. The Ruger Blackhawk, to 32,000psi.
The fact that Rossi says no is irrelevant.
I don't know what the stainless .357's, .44's and .45's are made of but the stainless .454's and .480's are made from 17-4 precipitation hardened stainless steel. Same stuff as the Freedom Arms guns.
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i own a rossi 92 in 45 colt 16in barrel and i just love it! I use sierra 300gr jsp with 20.8gr h110 and it is awesome shoots very accurate and will have a sound that's well very cool to listen too! i also own the exact same gun in 44mag and i rather have the 45 colt one myself infact i am considering trading this 44 for another one the large loop with saddle ring model in 45 colt so i can drop the 44 mag and just load for 30-30 and 45 colt
shoots very accurate and will have a sound that's well very cool to listen too! i also own the exact same gun in 44mag and i rather have the 45 colt one myself infact i am considering trading this 44 for another one the large loop with saddle ring model in 45 colt so i can drop the 44 mag and just load for 30-30 and 45 colt - Status
