.45 Hi-Point carbine

[Mooseman]

I know there's a few people out there such as myself who have been awaiting the arrival of the .45 Hi-Point carbine. Sad news from the source, copied and pasted from an email.



UPDATE ON HI-POINT 45 ACP CARBINE: The nationwide shortage of the 9mm carbines and 40 S&W carbines has caused the 45 ACP carbines to be put on hold for now. The backorders for the 9mm’s and 40’s must be met before beginning the production of the 45 ACP carbines.

We sincerely regret not being able to bring this model to your dealers as we expected, but the obligation to the customers who have been waiting for their purchases to be fulfilled takes precedence. Please, bear with us on this issue. The 45 ACP carbines will be in production as soon as the backorders are filled for the other two carbines.

The MSRP will be very close to the 40 S&W carbine (approx. $225/$230).

 

[Stiletto Null]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo................

 

[MachIVshooter]

Plenty of other .45 ACP carbine available, albeit more expensive.

 

[Crosshair]

I'm waiting for my local dealer to get a 4095 carbine in. My name is on the top of the list for them. I love my 995.

/Gota get them all.

 

[pezo]

I seen a fellow at the range with the .40 cal. He was bragging on how accurate it was for such a cheapish carbine. From the looks of his groups he had rights.

 

[duncan]

FYI

The bullet drop of a 230 grain round is huge.

Even at 50 yards, you have to really adjust your drop.

shot the HK USC and a couple of 1911 conversion carbines too

 

[BillinNH]

<The bullet drop of a 230 grain round is huge.>

Yeah, I agree. I zero my sights on my 9mm carbines (Keltec, HiPoint, Marlin ) at 75 yards, shoot to 100 yards. But I zero my Marlin 45 carbine at 50 yards, shoot to 75. Otherwise I have to hold high or rezero.

When a HiPoint 45 comes my way I will work up a 185 grain load that will hopefully have more range. I'll try a slower powder.

Bill

 

[foghornl]

I don't have any 9MM "shootin' irons', so I've been waiting for the Hi-Point .45 Carbine (have 2 1911's and a KP-90 Ruger) to match my handguns.

Th Hi-Points are certainly not the most AP {Aesthetically Pleasing} firearms around, but they go BANG! every time...and hit where you point them. Have shot a couple of the 9MM pistols, and one of the 9MM Carbines, along with a Hi-Point .45. All were accurate, and functioned as designed.

 

[Srigs]

I have a 9 and 40 carbine and love them both. My favorite is my 40 so well worth the wait.

 

[Ivy Mike]

are they going to use Hi-Point magazines or will they use something of a higher capacity?

 

[Mooseman]

I think they'll be continuing the trend of interchangeable mags between the pistols and carbines. Doesn't preclude aftermarket stuff though.

 

[Bigfoot]

I read a few reviews and 3" groups @ 50 yds (6 MOA) seems to be the rule. Anybody getting better accuracy than this?

 

[duncan]

Yeah, I agree. I zero my sights on my 9mm carbines (Keltec, HiPoint, Marlin ) at 75 yards, shoot to 100 yards. But I zero my Marlin 45 carbine at 50 yards, shoot to 75. Otherwise I have to hold high or rezero.

When a HiPoint 45 comes my way I will work up a 185 grain load that will hopefully have more range. I'll try a slower powder.

Bill

Add a slower powder, long load the round, and put a little stronger crimp and maybe you can get another 80 fps out of that round to attempt to get more distance and tighten the groups.

 

[duncan]

I read a few reviews and 3" groups @ 50 yds (6 MOA) seems to be the rule. Anybody getting better accuracy than this?

That is a hideous performance for a rifle especially since they probably shot from a bench.

Heck a good pitsol shooter can get that out of a 4" barreled gun!

For a postol cailber carbine, 9mm and 10mm are the high pressure rounds that can shoot distance. Ideally, I'd love an HK94 variant in 10mm to load some 135 grainers to do - 1650 fps.

Currently , my Olympic Arm 9mm AR-15 usually gets me quarter-sized groups of 3-5 shots at 50 yards, standing, with a Marine-tight sling setup. Chrono'd my reloads at 1525 fps too.

Get one of these to accessorize:

I have a flattop with a 50mm red dot scope co-witnessed on my irons too. $5 Sten mags hold 32 rounds of 9mm too.

And you can load 9mm hot enough to get some decnet 75-100 yard shots.

 

[Live Free Or Die]

I read a few reviews and 3" groups @ 50 yds (6 MOA) seems to be the rule. Anybody getting better accuracy than this?

Do you have a link to the reviews? I'm curious to see how the shots were performed (offhand, benchrest, etc.). I'm an amateur -- I've only been shooting for a couple years. The first time I shot the 9mm HP carbine, I got about 2" grouping at 25 yards. This was offhand shooting, with no supports, by an amateur shooter, using cheap UMC ammo, and iron sights. I would imagine at 50 yards or greater, the iron sights become the limiting factor in accuracy -- assuming benchrest shots, an experienced shooter, and good quality ammo.

 

[duncan]

I would imagine at 50 yards or greater, the iron sights become the limiting factor in accuracy -- assuming benchrest shots, an experienced shooter, and good quality ammo.

It's not the iron sights that limit the accuracy.

Ask any Marine shooting 300-600 meters with his M16 and using iron sights. They qualify with iron sights.

45 acp was designed around the 1911 for pistol length barrel. Lower pressure and little case support also means you really need a lot of engergy to move 185-200-230 grainer out of a 16" barrel. The powder is too fast. 45Super is better.

As far as I can tell, in a short 45 acp case, the powder only gets you halfway down that barrel and the velocity is milked so if you can get 1100 fps - you are lucky.

So using 45 ACP in a carbine is like turbocharging a Chevette.

If you want big bullets and a carbine - 44 mag or 45-70 government.

 

[wolf_from_wv]

I think this was with my sock filled with beans set on an ammo box rest...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/wolf_from_wv/9mm_target.jpg

 

[asknight]

3" @ 50 yards? That's almost offensive to my experience. Try more like 3-3.25" @ 100 yards with a 5MOA red dot. That's with the dot covering the entire center target, and the resulting group being smaller than the dot. It's all in the ammunition. Plinker grade 115gr FMJ won't do that, but NATO 124gr, Federal HydraShok 124gr, and WWB 147gr HP will. FWIW, the Ruger PC-9 wouldn't do less than 5.5" @ 100yds with the ammo I had on hand.

The 124gr +P+ shoots surprisingly flat, too.