.45 Ruger Vaquero

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New to forum and revolvers in general. Looking for home protection along with revolver to carry while hunting, and I have a limited budget. I found what looked to be a very nice revolver at Gander Mtn., the salesman told me it was an "old-style ruger vaquero" .45 w/ birdshead grips(black macarta) 3' 3/4 it was on clearence for $449.00. Just would like to know first of all what the opinions are on this particular revolver and if this is a reasonable price to pay for it. Thanks for any advice given!!
 
I have two

I love them although I'm not sure they would make the best home defense option. I paid $350 and $375 for mine in MA used. I think yours is a little high.
 
OK. What you're seeing there is a bit of an oddity, but a cool one :).

It has a transfer bar safety so it's as safe if dropped fully loaded as any modern gun, revolver or auto. It may look "cowboy" but in terms of safety it isn't.

That's not what's odd.

What's odd is that it's a "compact model" but built on Ruger's larger SA frame size, the same strength class as their 44Mag SuperBlackHawk series. Which means it can take high-powered 45LC+P ammo marked "Ruger ONLY!!!" that rivals or even exceeds 44Mag horsepower levels, but can also take mild "cowboy action sports" ammo through good midrange loads.

"Midrange" often involves a JHP of 200 - 230gr moving at anywhere from 850fps through maybe 1,100 in that barrel length. "High power" maxes out with the crazy Buffalo Bore 325gr hardcast doing over 1,100fps in that gun. Which will hurt to shoot, but seriously hurt whatever it hits :). It's literally a decent bear defense load, as long as the bear isn't TOO big...figure up to 400 - 500lbs and some pretty good shootin' :D.

Low grade power "SASS/CAS" loads will run typically less than 850fps, often a lot less. Recoil varies between "pussycat" and "yeah, it's there but no pain at all".

45LC ammo of any type tends to run a bit pricy. It's a good round to reload. Esp. on a gun that strong which will be forgiving of at least some beginner "overload mistakes". Just don't start out loading maxed out stuff and you'll have a sizeable safety margin before hitting the kaboom point.

The "New Vaquero" is built on a smaller, handier frame size similar to the Colt SAA. In 45LC it can't handle the 45LC+P fodder.

Is it a home defense gun?

Well it's actually not a bad choice. Pretty much all of the 45LC jacketed hollowpoints (JHPs) perform well, including the common Winchester Silvertip, every Cor-Bon load, the new Speer 250gr "really big hollowpoint" Gold Dot or the various rounds based on the Speer 200gr JHP. Even a big plain flat-nose "Keith style" type will work great in 45LC.

Reloading isn't the fastest but it will point nicely in the dark.

Depending on your hand size, the "reach" up to the hammer to cock it may be too long a stretch for comfort. But that's cheap to fix: Ruger makes a lower-slung "SuperBlackHawk" hammer that reduces the reach somewhat, a $35 drop-in-yourself (most of the time) part. Mine slapped right into my New Vaquero. SAFETY NOTE: there is a "checkout procedure" thread stickied in this forum. After a hammer swap, do the checkout, esp. the parts that ensure the cocked hammer can't slip off the sear accidentally AND the checks that ensure the safety is working. Any "issues" there, get help here or on www.rugerforums.com (revolver section). Worst case $50 and a gunsmith will sort it out. There is an even lower-slung "Bisley" hammer that also fits our guns but it needs to be modified slightly to fit your grip frame - still doable with hand-tools, as the sear and safety areas of the hammer are unaffected.

I set up my Ruger New Vaquero "cowboy gun" as a home/street defense critter by upgrading the sights, throwing the SBH hammer on, putting a spring kit in, reshaping the grips slightly and...doing a "cosmetic mod" tied to...heh "psychological warfare":

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Mine is a 357 but the 45LC is at least as good, if more expensive to feed.
 
You mean like this?

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I picked this one up about 10 months ago. It's definitely a keeper. I've only shot mild to mid level loads through it. But as Jim March stated, It's basically a Super Blackhawk. It'll handle some real heat if thats your style.

About the only negative thing I can think of is it seems a bit heavy for it's size. Overall mine has been a happy experience.
 
Yup. Heavy. But a really REALLY good gun to learn handloading on. Tough as nails, reliable as a stone axe :). And surprisingly accurate, most of 'em...
 
I have one, it is my backup gun to a pair of Taurus Gauchos for CAS. Even though the barrel of this weapon is almost 2" shorter than the Tauri, it is heavier. However, it still points well, and it is comforting to know that I can stoke it hot if I choose to carry it in the boonies.
 
Man....I've been looking for one of those for MONTHS!
It may be just a little high, but it's not like you're going to find many of those around. Obviously my $.02 worth would be to jump on it. I would.

As for weight, on paper it's touted to be the same weight as the Stampede Marshall. Yeah, a little heavier than you'd expect for the size, but I wouldn't let that discourage you.

Nice pic, ewb45acp.
 
Thanks for all of the replys, I forgot to add that this is the color cased blued model and if my memory serves me correctly there have been some previous complaints about finish quality. Does this change anyone's viewpoint? Can a person send this to Doug Turnbull to be refinished? Thanks again for the quick responses !
 
Some years ago, I went with the 4.6" SS version because of the common problems two different 3.75" units had at the range where I work as a part-time RO. They both had the flush base pin work loose under recoil, other times, it's removal was difficult due to the flush head (You need long/strong fingernails!). Additionally, the ejector rod is short - full case removal often requires your fingers. The 4.6" version uses standard parts... and was also $350 on closeout.

The BHG is addictive. It's recoil is spent pushing the ball-like grip into your hand's palm, and rotating the muzzle skyward, more so with hot rounds. I next bought a similar sized new SBH (.44M) and fitted an aftermarket BHG to it - a bit heavy for .44 Specials & Russians, but fun - even with .44 Magnums (The hot 180gr SJHP UMC .44M's are an experience!). Lastly, I added a similar .32 H&RM - all three now are SS, 4.6", and with nearly identical black Micarta BHG's... I told you they are addictive.

Now, for 'protection', consider the Speer 250gr GDHP .45 Colt bullet, #4484. I load mine over 6.1gr of Titegroup for 823 +/2 fps from my BHG Vaquero, hitting within an inch and a half of POA at 12-15yd. It is rated for proper opening by 800 fps, a true 'lower speed' HP. The original 200 gr GDHP was designed for high speeds - the Georgia Arms and CCI Blazer such loads are 1,100+ fps. Speer does offer the 250gr version in new brass - I think it is rated like my loads. Heck, even a relatively mild 255gr LSWC at 800 fps from that 3.75" barrel would be most effective. I don't know about CC, however... they are big!

Stainz

PS I concur re the hammer change. My BHG Vaquero got a SS Bisley hammer, which required grinding/polishing for 'clearance' - not on functional parts. The SBH hammer is just as nice - and usually, a drop-in... both OEM Ruger parts are stocked by Brownell's - and Ruger.
 
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