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Greetings,

After a lot of tinkering and a trip to my gunsmith with even a barrel swap to test it, my 45ACP 1911 does not load at all Gold Dots. The bullets juts don't clinb the ramp. :banghead:

I am looking to try another bullet. I am looking at Hornady XTP or leverevolution. XTP is .541 and leverevolution is .452.

Would it be a problem to use .452?

I plan to buy another "type of self-defense bullet so if none of them work,I'll have another one to try. Can you recommend me one?

Thank you
 
Ina 1911, the bullet was never intended to "ride the ramp". It should just glance off of it on the way into the chamber.

Gold Dots feed very well for me in my 1911's, so I would wonder if it is a poor O.A.L., or the gun.

That said, I have had excellent luck with XTP's and Golden Saber's as far as feeding is concerned. The GS may be the least fickle.

The leverevolution bullet was never intended for autos.
 
I also like XTP and the Golden Saber in my Springfield Mil-Spec. I think the Golden Saber bullets might work better at lower velocities than the XTP in the 230 gr. weight. Both feed good. O.A.L. is 1.230 or 1.234 for the XTP and 1.223 for the Golden Saber in my gun. I have seen some people say 1.20 for the G.S. but the factory has them way out there at 1.268 or there abouts and that was to long for me. I try to keep them as long as possible but still fit every where. I guess each gun is a little different.
 
I loaded the 200 Gr Gold Dot at 1.215. Factory measured 1.211.


I load 230 Gr Golden Sabers and 200/230 Gr XTP's at 1.233. (+/- .002) Factory measured 1.230 to 1.235.
 
Sorry to hear of the issues. Some 45's are just fickle. For SD factory ammo there's always Hornady, Federal, CorBon and Remington to try. For reloading and plinking, head back to a rounder shape on the nose, such as the Berry 185gr HBRN (Hollow Base Round Nose).
 
Remington bullets are probably the easiest to get to feed reliably. Their profile is probably the closest to FMJ ammo. Gold Dots have been more problematic in my guns than ammo from other manufacturers due to the large hollow cavity and relatively sharp edge of the nose that contacts the feed ramp. My 1911's all produce significant set back with factory GD loads that I don't get with other brands though with tight enough crimp my hand loads work fine.
 
walkalong, I think you are wrong about the Factory O.A.L. being 1.235 for 230 gr Golden Saber ammo, that's way too long for that bullet. Maybe things have changed, I haven't had any factory ammo in a while. But I sure would not load that bullet that long if I wanted reliable ammo.
 
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0.451 are for 45ACP use
0.452 are for 45 LC, 454 Casull, 460 S&W

Get a Speer reloading manual and check the spec'd COAL for the Gold Dots.

Too bad Speer quit making the Flying Ashtray!

Speer Gold Dots are the best of the OTC reloading components for SD loading available.
Federal HST's are not a reloading componet.
Hornady does not sell Critical Defense bullets as a compoent.
Barnes has their TAC bullets which might be a good 2nd Choice in lieu of GD's.
 
0.451 are for 45ACP use
0.452 are for 45 LC, 454 Casull, 460 S&W
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I don't believe this is true. My understanding was that for .45 ACP, .451 is the norm for jacketed bullets and .452 is the norm for lead bullets, although you can find exceptions either way.
 
i realize the OP mentioned jacketed bullets, but i didn't realize YOU were pointing out the diameters for jacketed bullets only. since that's the case, we clearly agree.
 
After a lot of tinkering and a trip to my gunsmith with even a barrel swap to test it, my 45ACP 1911 does not load at all Gold Dots. The bullets just don't climb the ramp.
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Did the tinkering and the trip to the gunsmith include enough polishing of the ramp and chamber?

We polished our 1911 match barrel ramp/chamber until we got a good feed.

How about looking at the magazine or trying different magazines? Sometimes that was our problem and the barrel/ramp/chamber got blamed.


In a 1911, the bullet was never intended to "ride the ramp". It should just glance off of it on the way into the chamber.
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I agree with Walkalong. Even in my PT145Pro, the round "hops/skips" into chamber instead of riding the ramp.
 
The bullets juts don't clinb the ramp.
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The brass rim/head must slide up the bolt face as its stripped from the magazine. If the extractor is putting to much pressure on the rim, not letting the round slide up the bolt face, the nose of the bullet gets jammed into the feed ramp. Another rare event is a tight bolt face, the diameter of the bolt face is smaller than the rim diameter. Yes, rims can expand from hot loads. It can also be a magazine adjustment.
 
The brass rim/head must slide up the bolt face as its stripped from the magazine.
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True, which is probably the reason the 1911 breechface is not 90 degrees.
If the extractor is putting to much pressure on the rim,.............Another rare event is a tight bolt face, the diameter of the bolt face is smaller than the rim diameter.
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Also true. Very easy to check.

Excellent points 243winxb

In the pic you can see where extractor tension comes into play as well as how the case head must fit through and under the extractor..
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Greetings,

The brass rim/head must slide up the bolt face as its stripped from the magazine. If the extractor is putting to much pressure on the rim, not letting the round slide up the bolt face, the nose of the bullet gets jammed into the feed ramp. Another rare event is a tight bolt face, the diameter of the bolt face is smaller than the rim diameter. Yes, rims can expand from hot loads. It can also be a magazine adjustment.
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He changed the extractor and extractor spring to make sure it was not that.
He also worked on the bolt face.
We tried 4 different magazines.
Still did the same crappy thing...

Thank you
 
Greetings,

I shoot/feed fine with cheap Remington HP factory, LRN reloads, SWC reloads, FMJ factory or reloads. It is really the Gold Dots factory that do n ot feed at all.

Thank you
 
I shoot/feed fine with cheap Remington HP factory, LRN reloads, SWC reloads, FMJ factory or reloads. It is really the Gold Dots factory that do not feed at all.
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If all other ammunition works (factory and reloads), then it is the Gold Dot ammunition causing the problem. Contact Speer for replacement.
 
Greetings,

UPDATE: It now feeds the Gold Dots and I would say it would feed a piece of rock now... :D

This is a non ramped barrel. My gunsmith reworked the feed ramp and changed the angle a little bit.

...In fact, the only RIA on it now is the frame and grips and a few parts. My wife wanted a CCW gun thatshe would not worry to scratch. So we changed the trigger, put 2 fiber optic sights with rear adjustable(my friend had to cut a front notch and widen the rear notch, changed the beaver tail and hammer. We also changed the barrel for a stainless steel.

It is now a 1000$ gun that cost less than 600$ total. :neener:

Thank you
P.S.: Before someone comment about gun modifications and lawsuits in case of self-defense, it is Georgia! We have some of the best self-defense and gun laws in the country. I can take out the balls of a BG in self-defense with a 500 S&W and the judge will give me a tap in the back.
 
I'd be ineterested to know what model Rock Island Armory it is. I own 2 (sorta) and the Speer Gold Dot is one of the SD ammo I'm really wanting to try...


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Greetings,

This is the Hi-capacity. I think they call it 1911-A2.

Thank you
 
FTF

Try some different mags. Different configurations present the cartridge differently.
 
kestak said:

Greetings,

This is the Hi-capacity. I think they call it 1911-A2.

Thank you
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Kool, thank you! Your lucky, I've heard of them, but no one seems to have them around here for me to see in person!


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