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5.56x45 water resistant lacquer

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by firemanstrickland, Sep 11, 2011.

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  1. firemanstrickland

    firemanstrickland Member

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    Hello all,

    I am tyring to load 5.56x45 to the same specs as federal xm193f. now, I already have all the info on it with the exception of the primers water resistant lacquer. I have looked on here as well as the internet and can not find anything. can anyone help? Where can I find it?, and how do you apply it? Thanks in advance.
     
  2. T Bran

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    I saw primer sealant in either Midway USA or Cabellas catalogue but have never used it.
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    Ok Midway has it part# 954-332 price $6.99 for .5 oz page #335
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    thanks bran, eberytime i searched for it it would come up as painting supplies. and i looked on midway and couldnt come up with anything. but, i got the part numbeer you provided and found it, thank you. do any of you have any experience with this product or any others?
     
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    No ive never used any type of sealant but it looked like a good idea since I mostly hunt in swamps and my gun and I occasionally take an unexpected dunking. If you use this product please keep us updatedon your results.
    THANKS
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  6. firemanstrickland

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    rodger that, i have the same problem. It will probly be a while before i get it and start using it but i will definetely update. It claims to keep ammo waterproof even after 30 days of total immersion.
     
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    primer sealent

    you don't need it
    try this I did it take a empty case sized and put a new primer in it then fill the case with water for ten minutes then shake out the water and chamber it
    I guarantee you it will fire
     
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    okie, with all due respect i want info on good primer sealers. There is a dang good reason agencys/proffesionals seal there ammunition.
     
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    "Ok Midway has it part# 954-332 price $6.99 for .5 oz page #335
    T "

    Thats some expensive fingernail polish.Im sure your wife or GF has plenty of old fingernail polish around,and so do their friends.I like the purple stuff that smells like candy myself.
     
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    I purchased a couple of bottles of George & Roys sealant many years ago and still have plenty on hand (a little goes a long way). I've never tested sealed vs not sealed, so I can't say if it works or not. It looks like fingernail polish that has been diluted (pretty thin); I suppose it's diluted so it will better work its way between the primer and pocket. I've heard factory manufacturers seal primers with basically the same thing.

    Sealing the bullet in the case neck is different. If loading a cannelured bullet, there may be enough clearance between the bullet and case neck to seal the bullet, but I would be careful to wipe each bullet/neck after applying sealant (your ammo is more likely to fail due to sizing issues, primer seating issues and possibly primer sealant residue around the neck than it is to water / moisture). If loading a bullet w/o a cannelure, attempting to seal the bullet w/ primer sealant is a waste of time, IMHO. It there is enough clearance for the sealant to migrate between the bullet and neck, I would consider that a neck tension issue. FYI; I think ammo manufacturers use a bituminous based sealant for bullets.
     
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    IMO: Unless you spend weeks at a time setting in a water filled foxhole, or store your reloads outside in the rain, primer sealing is not necessary.

    I have fished dropped shotgun shells out of flooded duck blinds a week after I dropped them and they all went boom.

    Likewise, I have hunted in every kind of weather imaginable with rifle and handgun reloads for about 50 years.

    I have never had a reload misfire that could be attributed to moisture getting inside the case or primer pocket, period.

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    Yep - because it might sit in storage for 30 years before they use it.

    If you really want to be bothered, a simple jar of clear nail polish is the same thing and costs a lot less than George and Roy's Primer Sealant
     
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    thank you very much for your input. okie, i meant no disrespect. to everyone else thank you for your time and all of the info be it helpful or not.
     
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    When ammo is first loaded, there is a positive pressure in the case from seating the bullet with good neck tension. If pull one you just loaded and put a little nail polish in the primer gap, you will get small air bubbles in it. Over time that pressure depletes, so relatively fresh ammo will protect itself.

    I use nail polish on my hunting ammo right after seating the primers. I don't care what the nay-sayers think, it is cheap insurance. And since it is only done on hunting ammo, it's not a big deal to do.
     
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    Folks using fingernail polish; do you thin the polish or use it as is?
    Thanks.
     
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    I thin it.

    I am aware of factory ammo that uses a very thin lacquer that could pass for nail polish if it wasn't so thin. They also use a proprietary sealant for special applications. Plain hunting ammo just needs the nail polish treatment. The biggest reason for it is to keep oils and water away from the powder near the primer.
     
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    All the stuff I shot (military)
    did fine, more than a bit of it did things like sit in ammo boxes (as in feed boxes) in the rain, and those tend to collect water.

    Been dropped in the drink, or washed off after being dropped in the mud
     
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    Thank you for all of the input
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, mil-spec requires sealants on both ends. The primer side doesn't need to have a red dye in it.
     
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    Um, you do realize that the primer is designed to hold up to X THOUSANDS of pounds of GAS pressure...
    most rounds, properly made are fine. As the whole compacting things together until they stick, seems to make a pretty water proof round,
    AND the Russian "crap" lacquer or poly coated rounds, what, do you they just carefully coat the case... that would be a MORE difficult process than I expect them to use

    OH, and these are from GOVERNMENT ORDNANCE factories, so, I rather expect they are awful close to mil spec....
     
  21. GaryL

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    FWIW, I did some engineering work at an ammo plant a few years back.
     
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    russian??
    my point is I'd be less conconcerned about water leaking on those rounds than other things, it you really want to test it, put some in a bucket for a WEEK, and post the results.

    I have some .40 (as in pistol rounds) that went for a swim, it's Federal's LE Frangible (green RANGE ammo) that for all I know is from Hurricane Katrina, as it was sold as SALVAGE, with an extra paper stating

    YOU WILL NOT SHOOT THIS AMMO-- it is sold as components only
    So the reviews said
    "good ammo, really premium stuff, cleans up easy in the tumbler, only had 2 misfires out of 1k I bought, getting more before they sell out"


    Draw your own conclusions from that, but these rounds also lack a primer seal...
     
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